The Trinity Explained

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1. Hi there, I was searching for a good explanation of the trinity and I stumbled to this site. I have read this article unfortunately with all due respect there is a logical error in the concept of the trinity you have explained.

   Before i mention it I wanted to say it is important to note I am not saying this because I want to prove u wrong or win a debate or even hurt you. I believe in ONE God and from your article you believe the same, but your concept of God is different and i felt like sharing my opinion with you and hope it helps.

   According to Aristotles 1st law of logic we come to know:

   If A=B AND B=C THEN A=C provided the first two premises are all true. This logical concept is used for human beings to rationalise with one another.

   So for example if I was to say ALL Men speak the truth and John is a Man, then this means John speaks the truth.
   MAN = Speaks the truth, JOHN = MAN, Then JOHN = Speaks the truth.

   Therefore from the diagram you have presented of the trinity you have stated:

   Jesus = GOD, Father = GOD, Holy Spirit = GOD. According to the 1st law of universal Logic This should mean Jesus = Father = Holy spirit. But you have shown Jesus != Father != Holy spirit. I fail to understand the this.

   Thanks

2. I really enjoyed reading this article, loved it a lot. About the digram though, where it says “is not” on the sides, In a way i disagree. well about the the son is not the holy spirit one at least. 2 Corinthians 3:17 says, “Now the Lord is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is Liberty.” And as to my knowledge it says no where in the bible that the father isn’t the son and that the son isnt the holy spirit. In fact the versus above says the lord is the spirit.

   I’m not trying to dis on anyone or anything but with the bible saying that the lord (Jesus) is the Spirit it just bothers me a little that, that picture is up there.

   Oh yeah and then you got, 1 Corinthians 8:6, “… yet for us there is only one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we live.” In this above verse the bible is saying that there is only one God the Father and one Lord, Jesus(the son)

   “To you it was shown, that you might know that the Lord Himself is God; there is none other besides Him … that the Lord Himself is God in heaven above and on the earth beneath; there is no other.” (Deuteronomy 4:35-39) And then in this verse above, the bible says The Lord is God.

   So if The father is the one God, and Jesus is God too wouldn’t that make the father jesus and jesus the father?

   But I don’t really know forsure, No one will completely understand it as humans on Earth. I agree that we can not even began to comprehend the Trinity completely.

   Would love to hear back from who ever gets these. thanks,

   -Anthony Brogan

3. @M45H11

   I’m not a religious person so I won’t claim to know anything about this really, but I think this may help you understand the diagram.

   Take your hand for example. It has five fingers; thumb, index, middle, ring, & pinky. All five fingers separately have their own name and purpose. Yet they are part of a larger being; the hand. The hand is all of them, yet they are not all each other. The pinky is not the thumb and the middle is not the ring, but they are all together the hand.

   Not sure if that is a correct depiction of the whole scheme of things, but I just thought of that when reading the diagram and your comments.

   Hopefully I helped in some way.

   Best Regards,
   Zach

4. Hi Zach,

   Very nice example. Another one is the water analogy! Water can be a liquid, a solid, and a gas, but still remains water! But each form of it is different and has its own different purposes.

   Even though there are three uniquely different states of water, (liquid, solid, and gas) they are still water. In the same way, these states of water can remind us of the triune nature of God.

   The solid form of water (ice) reminds us of God the FATHER. Ice is hard. It is solid. In the same way, God the FATHER is our solid foundation. (“Righteousness and justice are the foundation of your throne; love and faithfulness go before you.” Psalm 89:14)

   The liquid form of water reminds us of God the SON. Water is useful for cleansing. In the same way, God the SON, died on the cross to cleanse us of our sin. (“How much more, then, will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself unblemished to God, cleanse our consciences from acts that lead to death, so that we may serve the living God!” Hebrews 9:14)

   The gas form of water reminds us of God the HOLY SPIRIT. Gas cannot be seen, but you can see the effects of it. As we did when we saw the water droplets on the plastic, or felt the warmth of the steam from the hot water. In the same way, the HOLY SPIRIT cannot be seen, but the effects of his presence can be seen and felt in our lives as the HOLY SPIRIT works to make his will known to us and to change us to be more like him.

5. Trinity is like this when a woman and a man who are single get married they become one in flesh.So the same way it is with God the Father,Jesus the Son and the Holy Spirit.

   Joh 4:24 God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.”

   Luk 23:46 Then Jesus, calling out with a loud voice, said, “Father, into your hands I commit my spirit!” And having said this he breathed his last.

6. Hi Zach and Georgy…Glory all to God of heaven with your illustrations about the Holy Trinity… The water illustration is just wisdom and I am in awe.

   Praise to our Lord Jesus and to ur Holy Father in heaven

   My Regards with you with the Love of Jesus

7. hi zach,

   Brother Georgy, i am totally blown away by your explaination of water in it’s many forms. I think and believe the HOLY SPIRIT has spoken through you..

   PRAISE, GLORY AND HONOUR BE TO GOD!

   Larry

8. Trying to understand trinity but could not. If The three persons are seperate but one god then what happened when Jesus (PBUH)were in earth and where the father was then if they are one. How can they exist separately. Then I have to say that Jesus (PBUH)and father are parts of God.

9. Faruque i think trinity is like this when you and you wife met you were two seperate beings.However when you got married the bible say in Genesis 1-2 you two became one in flesh.You are two different persons with each of their own minset but now that you are married you are one in flesh.

10. Patrick bro you are in a way wrong…
    see I will tell you … the doctrine is like this

    Who is God(Jahwe/Allah)?
    He is the one who fills the entire universe… with the power to create and destroy.
    He appeared as a human being by taking body from a human being. By this way he is a perfect human being and a perfect deity too.
    “Then who was in heaven?” this question seems to be not at all meaningful since his power and glory always filled the universe(heaven too)but at the same time he made himself visible to us as a human being.
    Why was it?
    It was to free human beings from the clutches of the saitan.Remember the sin at Eden corrupted the human souls and made us inferior and sinners. God appeared as a human being and made himself the great sacrifice and who himself was the priest too.
    Jesus himself said that he was much more than the first created human being Adam (before sin).He said “I AND MY FATHER ARE ONE”
    In another situation He says “BEFORE ABRAHAM WAS I”
    THUS you realise Jesus and Father each has separate personality but remains one.

    Now regarding Holy Spirit…
    AT THE TIME WHEN JOHN THE BAPTIST BAPTIZED JESUS….
    The spirit of God appeared in the form of a dove and a sound from heaven was heard “THIS IS MY OWN DEAR SON WITH WHOM I AM PLEASED”
    Later after Jesus’ resurrection and ascension as he has promised the comforter(paraclete)came and made disciples strong believers of God courageous. The Holy Spirit appeared then in the form of strong wind and fire.
    All these incidents portray the three personality but the oneness of God(Jahwe/Allah).
    With careful reading of the bible you can find more revelations.
    Remember, the doctrine is based on the revelations by Christ himself in the Holy Bible.
    Be inspired and motivated…
    Be the seekers of the truth…
    May the loving God bless you all…

11. THIS IS NOT LOGICAL , SORRY BUT THE TRINITY CAN ONLY BE EXPLAINED BY THE PAGAN’S THAT MADE IT UP

12. God must and should be worshiped alone because he is the Only Creator! did jesus say he was god?did he say he created the creation and mankind.God has no beginning and no end. jesus was a mighty prophet who was sent to the children of israel[bible].God cannot die or be crucified, and neither was jesus crucified or killed, God raised him unto Him, to return once more to set things straight.

13. God created everything through his word.
    The word became flesh in St.Mary’s womb.
    >>>St.Mark 1:10,11
    Jesus came from
    Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan.
    {1:10} And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw
    the heavens opened, and the Holy Spirit like a dove descending
    upon him: {1:11} And there came a voice from heaven,
    [saying,] Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well
    pleased.

    Jesus said
    “I am the light of the world” (John 8:12)
    “I am the way, the truth and the life” (John 14:6)
    “I am the only way to the Father” (John 14:6)
    “I am the resurrection and the life” (John 11:25)
    “I am the Good Shepherd” (John 10:11)
    “I am the door” (John 10:9)
    “I am the living bread” (John 6:51)
    “I am the true vine” (John 15:1)
    “I am the Alpha and Omega” Rev.1:7,8)

    God was pleased with Abraham when he became ready to sacrifice his promised son to Sarah,Isaac to God.

    They actually depicted the Heavenly Father and the Son(the word of God in flesh, Jesus) who would come and become the ultimate sacrifice.
    Among Isaac’s descendants the Saviour was born …
    Jesus – Descendant of Isaac
    But God said to Abraham, “Do not let it be displeasing in your sight because of the lad or because of your bondwoman. Whatever Sarah has said to you, listen to her voice; for in Isaac your seed shall be called. Genesis 21:12 (NKJ)

    Joseph was engaged to St.mary and appointed as the caretaker for St.Mary by God when Jesus was in her womb. Joseph played a great role in bringing up the child Jesus. Jesus was known to people as son of Joseph, who was a descendant of Isaac’s son Jacob.
    Jesus was human as well as the word of God.
    He called himself “Son of man” at times which referred to Jesus’ role as Savior-King, fulfilling the messianic prophecy of Isaiah.

    (Read Isaiah 53)
    Isaiah 53 is the most comprehensive prophetic passage of the coming Messiah, and clearly depicts him as the suffering Savior.
    Isaiah had also referred to the Messiah as “Mighty God,” “Everlasting
    Father,” Prince of Peace” (Isaiah 9:6).

    Daniel prophesies that the “son of man” will be given authority over mankind and receive worship:
    “I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all peoples, nations and men of every language worshiped him.”
    (Daniel 7:13,14)
    So who is this “son of man,” and why is he being worshiped, when God alone is to be worshiped. Jesus told
    his disciples that when he returns to earth, “Then everyone will see the Son of man arrive on the clouds with
    power and great glory” (Luke 21:27). Jesus is saying here that he is the fulfillment of Daniel’s prophecy.
    Jesus accepted worship from St.Thomas. He claimed to be the “Son of God” and, the ‘Son of God’ is a divine title.”
    As Jesus was preparing his disciples for his upcoming death on the cross and departure, Thomas wanted to
    know where he was going and the way there. Jesus answered Thomas:
    “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one can come to the Father except through me. If you
    had known who I am, then you would have known who my Father is. From now on you know him and have seen him.” (John 14:5-9)
    They were confused. Philip then speaks up, asking Jesus to “show us the Father.” Jesus’ answers Philip with these shocking words:
    “Philip, don’t you even yet know who I am, even after all the time I have been with you? Anyone
    who has seen me has seen the Father!”
    In effect Jesus was saying, “Philip if you want to see the Father, look at me!”
    Prior to leaving earth, Jesus explained the scope of his authority:
    “Jesus said, ‘I have been given complete authority in heaven and on earth’”
    (Matthew 28:18, NLT).
    Consider the word of God….
    “Do not worship any other gods besides me” (Exodus 20:3 NLT).
    After Jesus’ resurrection, the disciples told Thomas they had seen the Lord alive (John 20:24-29).
    Thomas scoffed, telling them he would only believe if he could put his fingers on the nail wounds of Jesus’ hands and into
    his pierced side. Eight days later the disciples were all together in a locked room when Jesus suddenly appeared
    in front of them. Jesus looked at Thomas and told him to “Put your finger here and see my hands. Put your hand
    into the wound in my side.”
    Thomas needed no more proof. He instantly believed, exclaiming to Jesus:
    “My Lord and my God!”
    Instead of reprimanding Thomas for worshipping him as God, Jesus commended him, saying:
    “You believe because you have seen me. Blessed are those who haven’t seen me and believe anyway.”
    While John the apostle was in exile on the Island of Patmos, Jesus revealed to him the events that will occur in the last days.
    In the vision, John describes the following incredible scene:

    “Look! He comes with the clouds of heaven. And everyone will see him—even those who pierced
    him….’I am the Alpha and the Omega—the beginning and the end,’ says the Lord God. ‘I am the one who is, who always was, and who is still to come, the Almighty One.’”
    So who is this Person who is called “the Alpha and Omega,” “the Lord God,” “the Almighty One”? We are told that he was “pierced.” That makes it clear that the Alpha and Omega is Jesus. He is the one who was pierced on the cross.
    Those with spirits of err disclaim the salvation the Almighty offered through his son’s sacrifice on the Cross but, blessed are who believes without doubt.
    Hebrew {10:29} Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden underfoot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
    Philippians 2:5-11
    5Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus:
    6Who, being in very nature God,
    did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,
    7but made himself nothing,
    taking the very nature of a servant,
    being made in human likeness.
    8And being found in appearance as a man,
    he humbled himself
    and became obedient to death—
    even death on a cross!
    9Therefore God exalted him to the highest place
    and gave him the name that is above every name,
    10that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
    in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
    11and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord,
    to the glory of God the Father.

    2 Peter{2:1} But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
    Revelation by Jesus to his dearest disciple John…
    Revelation{20:10} And the
    devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and
    brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet [are,] and
    shall be tormented day and night forever and ever.

    Just believe Jesus and come to the truth…
    The truth shall set you free…
    Glory to God… Amen.

14. The Holy Trinity or the concept of triune God is not against monotheism. It is rather an exploration of God’s nature in the Bible. Some may argue that the doctrine was made up by Church Fathers in the 4th century.
    The belief in triune God was there from the very beginning of Christianity. When false teachings against God’s nature came up , the Church Fathers written down the doctrine in 4th Century to prevent false Christianity.

    Such false Christianity existed in various parts of Arabia too. They must be called False Christians and some depicted God ,Mary and Jesus as trinity and which was certainly a danger.
    Those in Egypt and near by places believed in a trinity –
    trinity like Isis, Osiris and Horus.

    Osiris was god of goodness, Isis was his wife; they married and they had a child whom they called Horus and we know that the ancient Egyptians believed in such a trinity. There were other people like ancient Egyptians who believed in similar things; they worshiped the goddess of heaven but when they came to know about Christianity they applied the one false trinity to the true one they said, “Well this is very simple we already believe that heaven is a goddess. Ok then, Mary must be a goddess and then God must have married Mary and gave birth to Jesus ;this is the Mariamites heresy but Christianity fought against such heresy and banned it.
    Many misunderstood true Christians as worshipers of three Gods but infact they were not. This happened only because of the false trinity developed from the pagans.
    Christians are not pagans but are true believers of triune God.
    Many including Prophet Mohammed (Ishmaelite) misunderstood Christians because of the false doctrines prevailing at that time in some parts of Arabia and near by places.
    God blessed both the descendants of Isaac and Ishmael.
    Both believe in the same God and trinity was not made up by pagans.

    Christ revealed it and he remains our Lord and Savior.In last days Christ will receive the ultimate power and glory and judge everyone .Those who accepted him as Lord and Savior will be taken to him(Sincere Christians).All others will be judged and given Paradise based on their good deeds and faithfulness to God(Go through Revelation by Christ to John).

    Just understand Christ is the word and spirit of the Father and certainly the word and spirit of God are not created but were with in him from the very beginning.The word appeared in flesh(Christ).The spirit was also on him to strengthen him.

    See the Revelation 5:9-14
    9 And they sang a new song, saying:

    “You are worthy to take the scroll
    and to open its seals,
    because you were slain,
    and with your blood you purchased for God
    persons from every tribe and language and people and nation.
    10 You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to serve our God,
    and they will reign on the earth.”

    11 Then I looked and heard the voice of many angels, numbering thousands upon thousands, and ten thousand times ten thousand. They encircled the throne and the living creatures and the elders.
    12 In a loud voice they were saying:

    “Worthy is the Lamb, who was slain,
    to receive power and wealth and wisdom and strength
    and honor and glory and praise!”

    13 Then I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all that is in them, saying:

    “To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb
    be praise and honor and glory and power,
    for ever and ever!”

    14 The four living creatures said, “Amen,” and the elders fell down and worshiped.
    WHO IS THE “LAMB OF GOD” HERE? HE IS CHRIST JESUS WHO CAME AND SACRIFICED HIMSELF ON THE CROSS FOR THE SINS OF MANY.
    HE IS WORTHY OF PRAISE AND WORSHIP.
    GLORY TO TRIUNE GOD…

15. There are three groups of Christians, namely Trinitarians, Oneness (Jesus Only, and Monotheistic Christians who believe in One God Yahweh. They believe that the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God and not the Third person of the Trinity. They believe that Jesus is the Son of God and not the second Person of the Trinity. God is a Spirit and not a Person, only Jesus was a Person. God was manifest in three offices (not person)as God the Creator, in His Son Jesus Christ and in the Holy Spirit. During his ministry on earth Jesus Christ was God in the flesh. The Spirit in Jesus was God, the flesh and blood person of Jesus was not God, he was a sinless Lamb of God created to take away the sins of the world. Monotheistic Christians worship Jesus as Lord and Saviour and coming Messiah and King. They worship him as the Son of God but not as God or as the Second Person of the Trinity. The word Trinity does not appear in the Bible it is a pagan and Hindu concept borrowed by Christianity. It is okay for Christians to believe that Jesus is God and that the Holy Spirit is God but it is not okay to use the concept of the Trinity. Believe what you want to believe but please drop the word Trinity. Trinity comes from the Hindu concept of Thirimuthi, one God with three faces, a concept borrowed by Plato.

16. You are right Brother ,but we are one in our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

    The difference of opinions should not not make any problem for believers in Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

    We all believe in one true God. Yahweh, The God of Abraham ,Isaac and Jacob.Doctrines or way of looking at things may be different. But we are all one in our Lord.
    We must be cautious against false prophets and false messiahs as told by Jesus.
    Jesus Christ fulfilled everything and offered salvation to everyone who believes in him and accepts him as Lord and Saviour.
    REMAIN JOYFUL BECAUSE OF OUR LORD…. AND LOVE EVERYONE AND PRAY FOR THOSE WHO PERSECUTE YOU as commanded by our Lord.
    Do not follow Eye for an Eye ,Tooth for a Tooth policy.
    Obey his Holy Commands…
    We must make ourselves perfect in prayer and meditation for the God’s Holy Spirit to dwell in us. Let us expect our Lord Jesus’ return for the rapture of his people by transforming our mortal bodies in to heavenly bodies and for the glorious life with him eternally.
    Lord Jesus Come Soon…
    Amen…!

17. Your posting on the Trinity is correct. The Godhead, however consists of ‘two figures’; The Son (The Lord God Almighty) and His only begotten Son Jesus Christ. These two created all of creation in Genesis. (The Holy Spirit was also present during the creation process). Rev chpt 4 & 5 refer to these two, as does Isaiah 44:6. No man has ever seen The Father who dwells in the light, which no man can enter. The Son is our Father in heaven, and also Jesus Christ’s Father. These two are called ‘GOD’. It is the Son’s Kingdom that is coming. He is Lord of Lords and King of Kings.

18. i am not of great age and i have no college education in theology but i have studied for some time the doctrine of the trinty. the problem we have today is we beleive something if its been around for a long time even if its not true we become so indoctrinated that we can not read the bible with a clean mind but what we have been shown i was the same with this i fought and fought over it i was just like the phariees i followed the traditions of men instead of the word of God. now i do not have all my notes on me i am at work but i will put somethings to think about. ok jesus is the son of god we understand that whats that mean john 1:1 tells us the word was with god and was god. does this mean almighty god the father as i study this in the greek text i understood more plainly God the father created everything through his word his word is apart of him.so as col. says everything was created through key word through christ the word. my dad just finished building me a house he was the architect i helped build it but he gets the credit for it but he built it through me and others. next the word was god jesus tell the phariees that in there law they were called gods the term god does not mean yahweh we and the angels are called sons of god satan is called god of this word everything created in the likeness of god inherts that name so to say like i inhert my dads name. but that does not make us god almighty. 1 cor. 15:28 talks about all things give to jesus but once all is subject to him he give the kingdom back to god who is all in all. jesus says the father is greater than him. he say he can not do nothing enless he see it of his father now remember he is the word this is amazing to see our word can go only as far as we speak when we speak they reveal. the words we speak describe us like jesus describes the father the fulness of god bodliy our words is us the fulness of us.jesus says he said i go to your god and my god. jesus says god is a spirit and when he is raised from the dead he tells his dicisples to touch him a spirit has not flesh and bone like i have.not to say jesus is not spiritual he is. 1 cor. 11:3 says the head of christ is god if you make him equal to god in power and essents then if you read all that verse a man is equal to christ which would make him equal to god. we are not god but can be sons og god this is how satan cause the fall told eve you will not die but be gods.gen.1:27 this is interesting ” so God created man in his own image in the image of God created him male and female he created them.” we know eve was in adam the whole time just the as jesus was in God before there ever was a world he was his word the power of god and wisdom of god and when God spoke he processed forth from God he is the same substance of God but that does not make him the same level. and i never said he was created because he was always apart of the father he is The Son of God. He came in the name of the father for those who bring in is. 9:6 he manifested the name of the father John chapter 17 says. he is equal to the father in similarity just as the woman is equal to the man. to say a woman is equal to a man say a womans a man? Sorry for my grammar and spelling please look at this and tell me what you think? there is a lot to think of the trinty when it first came about came like this the were one substance the son and the spirit processed from the father that what the bible says they processed not all God almighty not all co-equal. God create everything through his dear son.

19. one more thing when you go to heaven are you going to bow down before the son on the right hand of god and say praise you god then bow before the father and say praise you god the the holy spirit. see you just made three Gods.its one thing to give praise for something done and another to give praise for who you are. it honors God for jesus says that we Honor the son.

20. please do not take this wrong i love everyone and want to see them in heaven. i am not trying to slam anyone. we must do all things with love if not god is not in us. so i put this out what was shown to me through his word. if want to say i do not believe in god thats fine i am not here to fight but to make people search the scriptures to see if those things are so. so God bless.

21. Greek : Zeus, Apollo, Athena,
    Romans : Jupiter, Mercury, Venus,
    Hindu : Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva,
    Buddhist : Dharmakaya, Nirmanakiya, Sambhogakiya, Egyptians : Osiris, Isis, Horus,
    Zoroastrians : Ahura Mazda, Mithra, Apam Napat,

    My question is” how Christianity is different from these pagan religions ? “

22. i agree with you there is only one God almighty. if not then we are no different then paganism.just like jesus told mary i go to my father and your father my god and your god.

23. To understand The Holy Trinity of God we have to reexamine how most people represent Him numerically simply by the ‘finite integer 1’ which turn The Infinite One God into a finite being. So using the math 1x1x1 = 1 in my view is not applicable even the result is 1 just to explain how the 3 Persons of God is ‘one’.

    But by applying the math properties of infinity: infinity + infinity = infinity, infinity x infinity = infinity, infinity /3 = infinity, we can easily understand the truth of Trinity.

    Infinite God (the Father) + Infinite God (the Son) + Infinite God (the Holy Spirit) = Infinite One God

24. so you then believe in oneness which is pencostal. i have one scripture that no man can prove that Jesus is not God almighty. He says that he does not know when he is coming back only the Father knows. So if Jesus is God he would know. He never said he choose not to know he does say because i am in the flesh i do not know he says i do not know only God almighty knows.if he was God almighty he would know then he would be a lair. he tells he dicsiples i have much things to tell you but you can not bear them now. there was a lot that they could not understand. thats why there is so much confession. they wrote from what the understood at the time. that he was the Son of God.

25. i am sorry i am not here to fight. please forgive me you are all my brothers and sisters. this is what i feel and have been shown. i believe Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world that who so ever believe on him may have everlasting life. i do not want to fight with fellow christian when there a world out there that needs Christ. But i do believe the church needs to start living a more holy life. be ye holy for i am holy saith the Lord.

26. @M45H11,

    I agree to your 1st argument, it follows aristotle law of logic: if a=b, and b=c, then a=c. All men speak the truth, John is a man, thus John speaks the truth.

    However, following your 2nd argument: Jesus = God, Father=God, Holy Spirit=God, let me give parallel argument:

    Joseph=human, Asenath=human, Ephraim=human
    does it follow Joseph =Asenath, Asenath = Ephraim, Ephraim = Joseph? Of course not!

    May I suggest this:
    Jesus is a part of the Trinity, Trinity is infinite three in one God, therefore, Jesus is part of the infinite three in one God.

    God bless!

27. Hello everyone!

    I was surfing the internet about a week earlier looking for more biblical explanation of the doctrine of the Trinity which I firmly believe is true, when I found this site. I did make brief comments to state what I knew about the use of math infinity to explain the Trinity.

    However, may I recommend the site, http://www.christiandefense.org to everyone. They have excellent explanation scripturally, even the Trinity in the Old Testament.

    God bless!!!

28. i have a question because i believe in a trinty in a sense. that jesus and the holy spirit proceed forth from God make them one with God that is scriptural. as eve proceed forth from adam making her one with adam. but to come forth from something make less than that you came from not equal. equal in simialarty like a man and a woman are human. we see the bible says almighty God can not be tempted but jesus was. It says God could not be man but jesus was. i believe jesus was divine but being divine and being the divine is two different things. he also would call the Father his God. jesus makes this argument when they thought he was try to make himself the almighty is it not write that you are gods who the word of god came to. he never says you are right and he did not walk away let them think that. we must also remember when reading the scriptures that beginning does not mean the beginning of God has no beginning. Jesus talks about satan as being a liar from the beginning ( the beginning of his exists). in gensis in the beginning God created they heavens and earth ( beginning of our world). and thats the same with first.

29. In Gen. 1:26 God said. Let “Us” make man…The question is. WHo was with God when he made man..? No one knows. some speculate it was the angels.. Probably.but we are not made in the image of angels. If you go to the new testament.. John 1:1 – the Word who is Jesus Christ is God, and he was in the beginning with God. SO certainly Jesus was with God when he created man.in John 17:5 Jesus existed before the world was formed. If you read John 17:21 – 24 Jesus is praying that his disciples will be united as Christ & God is united.. Is there unity if you are alone? it would take more than one to be united.

30. the way i see trinity is like someone who own a store, or a shop, he is running the business by him self. so, 1, he is the owner, 2, he is the manager of the business, 3, he is the worker, he does all the labor. one person, 3 factions. the only difference is that,that person can not split his body in 3, but how about YHWH, can he?

31. REV. chapter 3 tells us Jesus was created. he is not an angel he is the son of the living God. when he was created as soon as God spoke he is the word of God all things created by God through his word which was apart of God. your idea of the trinty is not right because the labor would know when he gets off work because he is the owner as well. Jesus does not know when he is coming back but the Father does. the trinty does not make sense i have talk to smart people they can not explain God is not the author of confussion. this must not be of God. if you read the history of the church the idea does not come about til after 200 ad. then the council of nicea was anti- jewish. after the councils decided what was ” right” they killed thousands of people who did not agree with them. read it it history that we should know. was that the spirit of Christ. Jesus said i have not come to destroy but to save. Read the bible all the way through for yourselves do not let men tell you this is the way it is with out you studying it. oh that the church would be restored to its roots and the pagan traditions removed read about christimas and how it started and easter as well you know the word easter is not in the bible. in kjv the put easter in there but the proper would was passover. Jesus done the will of his Father not his own will read it Father please take this cup from me not my will but thine be done. if he is part of a trinty then there would be just one will “God’s will” but he is not thats why there is two different wills. so it honor the Father that we honor the son. just like we are honor when our children do good. God bless you he loves his people so much.

32. also Noah your agreement done nothing but prove you believe in three Gods look at you named of three names three seperate human beings. of course there are humans but some are older than others some are great some are smart. i am not that smart but this did nothing but prove that Jesus is seperate from the Father and if so his own being with his own will.

33. There is only ONE God & his name is Jesus Christ.

    In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.He was in the beginning with God. All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. John 1:1-3

    And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth. John 1:14

    And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me. ~Jesus Christ (John 12:45)

    Trinity doctrine says: God does not exist in isolated individualism but in a community of relationships.

    God says: There is no god beside Me. Isaiah 45:5

    Trinity doctrine says: The ideal Christian spirituality is not that of flight from the world.

    God says:friendship of the world is enmity with God James 4:4

    Trinity doctrine says: it [trinity] shows us that three is community, three is love at its best; three is not a crowd.

    God says: No one can serve two masters (let alone 3) Matt 6:24

    Kabbalah is based on 2 texts, Sepher Yetzirah (“book of creation”) & the Zohar (“book of enlightenment”) Zohar is 1 of the sources cited as trinity doctrine references…the Zohar is a “hebrew occult book”

    oh & btw, the only way to remit (or erase) sins are to REPENT, be BAPTIZED (full immersion) in the NAME OF JESUS CHRIST….then you’ll receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

34. This is the Trinity.
    There is God, who is differentiated. Who is He? He is the Plural Majesty of the Trinity. The Father, the Son, and the Spirit. He it was who said: ‘Let us make Man, in our own image, and in our own likeness and let them be masters of the fish of the sea, the birds of the heavens” Genesis 1:26”
    Who is this Man? He was Spirit. Its confirmed Here; “The word of Yahweh about Israel. It is I, Yahweh, who speaks, who spread the heaven, and founded the earth, and formed the spirit of man, within him.” Zechariah 21:1-2 This Spirit, is differentiated from God. He Caused consciousness in the World.
    This Human Spirit, represented by the Hebrew community, together with God, Caused, Created and Manifested another Spirit. A Spirit of God, who was in Flesh. He was the Christ, Son of Man, and also Son of God. This Christ, Manifested the Third Spirit of God. So, we have God the Father, God the Man, the Image of God, and we have God the Son, the Redeemer of the Human Spirit for God. That, is the Trinity who is God.
    There is also the Trinity in God. There is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. What does God says about this Trinity in God? He says; “Yes, as the rain and the snow comes down from the heavens and do not return without watering the earth, making it yield and give growth to provide seed for the sower, and bread for the eating, so, the word that goes out of my mouth, does not return to me empty without carrying out my will, and succeeding in what I sent it to do. Isaiah 55:10-11
    So, the Word of God of God, comes from God, does what he has commanded it to do, and then goes back to God, expressing what it has created, and finishing the command of God.
    What king of Word is this? “In the beginning, was the Word, and the Word, was God and the Word, was with God and the Word, was made Flesh, and lived amongst us”!John 1:1-3
    Jesus, was the Word of God who was God from God, this Word who was God, was with God. He came to the World do the will of the Father, and finished the Work and went back to God, being the Word of God, Going back to God, having finished His work. Its as He stated; “ I have glorified you on earth by finishing the work that you gave me to do. Now, Father, glorify me with that glory I had with you before ever the world existed.” John 17: 1-5. Now, the Father, has clothed you with this Word who is God from God. You are here to do the will of the Father, by following the footsteps of your elder brother Jesus the Christ. YOU, ARE THE CHRIST. YOU ARE THE SON OF THE LIVING GOD! “After saying this he breathed on to them and said; Receive the Holy Spirit” John 20:22-22 The Holy Spirit, is the creator of the Christ in you.

35. The word “trinity” is only a definition the theologians use to describe this Great God. The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.

36. I explain the Trinity in my book this way.
    The Spirit of the Trinity is one and the same.
    However when they come to visit the earth, each one has a different name, diff. body, diff. assignment. God the Father came as a Highpriest in Abrahams time, to set up the Priesthood. Hebr.7:1-3. God the Son came 2000 years ago to die for our sins. God the Holy Spirit is coming to judge the world. John 16:7. Again the one and same Spirit.
    “The Trinity fulfilled” amazon.com

37. The new additional concept of Trinity now complete and clear in English
    Dear esquire Brother and sister which beloved in Jesus Christ.
    My name: Ir Johanes Sudarsiman
    one day I get illumination from Holy Spirit regarding Trinity, later then I wrote in Indonesian version, because limitation in my English hence marginally I try to translate in English, if there are not clearly to understanding please back to original in Indonesia version. I pray to Lord Yesus to give illuminate to all reader.
    I would like to share my testimony personally regarding the Truth of Trinity. I wrote in website, more detail please download in top internet type : kebenaran-trinitas.com
    or in google type: kebenaran-trinitas.com in this web there is explaination by picture to easy understanding about Trinity. Google website : kebenaran-trinitas.com

    I often hear in dialogue and debate all that is not Christian certainly inquire about the Trinity, even a Christian would want to abolish the concept of the Trinity, based on these conditions I would like to share knowledge about the Trinity that I can from the illumination of the Holy Spirit, so I tried to translate the book from titled “Digging the truth of the Trinity, sow love, reap salvation” (Menggali kebenaran Trinitas, menabur kasih, menuai keselamatan”) which only relate to the Trinity alone to assist in evangelism.

    Based on the illumination of the Holy Spirit and dialogue with many people, the authors can conclude a few questions:
    1. What was first created by God Yahweh?
    2. Why humans can think and cultured while animals can not think and do not have a culture.
    3. Who was the first to use the concept of the Trinity?
    4. For what the concept of the Trinity was there?
    5. Jesus spoke in John: 10:30 “I and the Father are one.” but Jesus did not recognize the Day of Judgment? in Matthew: 24:36
    6. Yesus also God but Jesus did not know doomsday Matthew: 24:36
    7. why Jesus is called Messiah and why Jesus is called God?
    8. Jesus God why should fast
    9. Jesus is God why would die when he spoke in Matthew 27:46 “… That is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

    The questions 5 and 6 is a beautiful philosophy once magnificent, yet there is no a philosophy in the world as beautiful as this question the first the Holy Spirit illuminate me about the Trinity and enjoin to me write this book, if you can answer this question I am sure You have illuminated by Lord Jesus, If you still have no answer, please read this book, you will fully understanding about Trinity. You will shock the answer no.1 is Proverbs: 8 22-32, why did God Yahweh sent Proverbs: 8 22-32?

    Best Regard
    Johanes Sudarsiman

38. logical explanation of trinity diagram is wrong “is not” need to change to “is”. this is a mystery to understand. donot put something like “is not” just for the explaining to attempt. this is very wrong .please take out or replace that diagram.

    -SP