Why should we pray to Virgin Mary? The reasons are many.
Why do Catholics pray to Mother Mary? Is Rosary really powerful?
The intercession of Mother Mary is very powerful as Jesus cannot neglect His mothers commands.This can be proved by the first miracle Jesus did at the wedding at Cana. – (John 2:1-11). Mother Mary told Jesus “They have no more wine.” And what was the final result? He turned water into wine.
In “The Poem of the Man-God” by Maria Valtorta, she says that Jesus told her about this incident as “I did it for Mary”. This proves that the intercession of Mother Mary is very very strong.
Mother Mary was blessed with Holy Spirit abundantly. We can see this as we read “At that time Mary got ready and hurried to a town in the hill country of Judea, where she entered Zechariah’s home and greeted Elizabeth. When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the baby leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit.” (Luke 1:39-41) ; just by Virgin Mary’s greeting.
Listen to the talk from Apologetics on Mary, Purgatory and The Bible
What the angels thought on this matter:-
When angel appeared before Zechariah,father of John, angel just greets him by his name ,nothing more although he was “upright in the sight of God, observing all the Lord’s commandments and regulations blamelessly.” – (Luke 1:6)
When angel appeared before Joseph, the greeting was like this: “an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said, “Joseph son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary home as your wife, because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit.” – (Matthew 1:20). Angel greeted him ‘son of david’, thats all.
Now let us see how did the angel greet Virgin Mary. It goes like this: “The angel went to her and said, “Greetings, you who are highly favored! The Lord is with you.” (Luke 1:28). See the difference….
Also read the article Mary, The Mystical Rose
cheryl:
“For the ten millionth time, we do not worship Mary”
Then what you cathoilcs doing with the statue of Mary in velankanni and other places?
why you people running behind the dead person(Mary) instead of sitting in feat of Jesus?
yeh…you have many prayers in that rosary..who need that..give a correct reply to brother Sam Sylvester.
It will be good if you spend your prayer time for the people who are around you..
Patricia Lewis:
I thank Admin for this topic..by this many would have opened Bible and read some chapters:-)
haha…Am a straight follower of Jesus..i wont go to dead people for recommendation for my prayers..and am spiritual rather than religious..
Dear Lewis,Why your eyes still not opened to Word of Word..what many proofs and reference you want to come out from false worship?
Is Jesus told you in scriptures to give your prayer request to Mary?
Jesus died,buried,risen up to be with you always…then why you wasting your time,spending with some other people?
Jesus only promised you “Behold,I am with you even to the end of your ages”..Mary nor Apostles said that to you..
I wish you to become a soldier in Christ and to stand for Him in all situation..
God be with you.
Patricia,
I wonder who is the bright person who started this topic: Why Pray To Virgin Mary?
That would be Georgy. The nice looking guy on your left (under Admin).
The devils work for sure to upset and incite people into baseless arguments. I dont think this site is doing what it is supposed to do.
Actually, this is a wonderful site and the original post is very nicely worded. This is just one of those topics that get under people’s skin. It’s a shame really. Our mother is one of the most beautiful gifts Jesus has been pleased to share with us, such a beautiful gift should not cause such “baseless arguments” as you put it. If you skim through the rest of this site/blog, you’ll see that this kind of arguing is very unusual here at TBTG.
John,
Then what you cathoilcs doing with the statue of Mary in velankanni and other places?
What are they doing?
why you people running behind the dead person(Mary) instead of sitting in feat of Jesus?
I don’t breathe properly, so I’m not running anywhere. Mary comes to see me. I didn’t know sitting at the feet of Jesus excluded sitting on Mary’s lap, who as it so happens, is also sitting there.
yeh…you have many prayers in that rosary..who need that..
So all the prayers to the Father and Christ, that I wrote above are indeed out then? No more, “Jesus, Son of God, have mercy on me a sinner” or, “Eternal Father…” In addition, I suppose other prayers would be out too. Ones I didn’t mention. Let’s see there’s, “Oh my Jesus, forgive us our sin and save us from the fires of hell. Lead all souls to heaven, especially those in most need of Thy mercy”. There’s also, “Glory be to the Father and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit as it was in the beginning, is now and ever shall be, world without end.” But these prayers comprise the rosary, so they’re a no-go. Yep we have many prayers in that rosary.
give a correct reply to brother Sam Sylvester.
And what sort of reply would that be John? A reply that you want to hear? A reply that would go something along the lines of this: We worship Mary. We vainly repeat prayer after prayer in hope of winning God’s favor. We ‘chase after’ dead people. We talk to dead people and we treat them as mediators in competition with Jesus. We are idolaters, pagans, usurpers of the name Christian (wolves in sheep’s clothing). Hopelessly ignorant and bound for hell if we don’t repent.
It will be good if you spend your prayer time for the people who are around you.
I do. It’s not an either/or, John. We pray for everyone.
Please consider few Observations about Catholic Cult..
First, the doctrine of the perfection, completeness and sufficiency of Scripture renders an authoritative tradition from God unnecessary.
Second, God’s inscripturated Word condemns human tradition because it nullifies biblical doctrine. Many Roman Catholic doctrines explicitly contradict and overturn the clear teaching of the Bible.
Third, Scripture forbids men from adding or detracting from the completed canon.
Fourth, many Romanist traditions contradict each other. This statement is easily proved by comparing authoritative statements from popes, church councils and church fathers.
Fifth, most of the additions of the papal church originated centuries after the death of the apostles.
Sixth, the doctrine of apostolic succession is a myth that is easily disproved.
Seventh, there is no method for authenticating the church’s claims regarding tradition. Human tradition is dependent upon sinful, fallible men and thus is obscure, arbitrary, unprovable and indefinite.
Eighth, the sheer volume of authoritative material produced by the papal church and the slow, arbitrary manner in which this authoritative material was dispensed over two millennia render the Romanist theory absurd. Ninth, the ultimate authority in the papal church is really neither the Bible nor tradition but the consensus of the pope and bishops at any given time. As society, culture and the church change and evolve so does the church’s dogma.
Tenth, the Roman Catholic apologist’s attempts to support their views on tradition with Scripture have been shown to be erroneous (i.e., non-contextual eisegesis).
The Roman Catholic Church is apostate and heretical because it has subverted the authority of Scripture by clinging to human traditions. If the papal church is to be cleansed of its damnable heresies, gross idolatries and its theological relativism, it must repent and return to the Scriptures alone. The root must first be cured before the diseased and poisonous fruit is replaced. The Bible, the whole Bible and nothing but the Bible must be the standard for faith and life.
Guys repent and return to your saviour.
Dear Vijay please read this article and post your opinion.
Dear catholic brethren we have to repent for our sins not for our faith. Sin is rejection of God. Our faith is nowhere rejecting God so don’t worry.
Please show me ithe scripture where God or Jesus tells us to ask mary to pray to jesus for us – that’s idolatry – mary is not a god but was human like any of us and cannot hear anything we say because she is dead as well as all the other saints that catholics pray to – There is only one we go to and that is Jesus – he said John 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. (In Jesus name not mary or saint peter, etc)
The Bible also says not to add to or take away from his word – and he made that word so plain that all could understand it.
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. (again it’s through Jesus not mary)
Once again you guys misinterpret everythingggg we are trying to show you. JOHN I said that if my mom died and she had not accepted Jesus I would pray till I could not keep my eyes open anymore for her because I know in my Heart that God will listen to my prayer NO prayer is useless and you mr EVANGELIST say the dead can’t hear us. Well then why did my friend’s dead Father help her in an important decission and answer her a question hmmmm? Their physical body is dead but they rise with our lourd into ETERNAL life and no we do not add to his word but he shows us new light and talks to us. That is what testimony is but of course you don’t see because you don’t want to. But it’s ok you see no matter how much you tell me that what God shows me teaches me and what I see hear and the ppl I encounter so that is why I say this.
Bro N Toppo,
Thank you for the link..! And yes, we are at Home. :-)
Hi, praise the LORD.
I don’t agree with all these Idolatry what Catholics do.
pls refer GOD’s 10 commandments once again. he says do not make any idols. do not worship any other GOD.
if we worship Idols what is the difference between Christians and he remaining world?
Mary is just a normal lady but she is blessed that’s it. at the Cross JESUS mentioned her as women not mother.
as JESUS is 100% GOD , 100% man he just fulfilled HIS responsibility as a elder son that too to show as HE is a model to us.
We are all worshipping ONE GOD, we have only ONE BIBLE.
ONE GOD
ONE BIBLE
ONE CHRISTIANITY.
PLS LET US NOT GIVE SATAN A CHANCE TO make DIVISIONS AS DENOMINATIONS among US.
THANK YOU.
All my Catholic brethren please do not have baseless arguments with these so called CHRISTIANS. Let them have their views and keep it. The Mother of Jesus is our Mother…………SO BE IT.
They do more of Satan’s work and they try to pinpoint. I wonder the lives they lead. Jesus also said there will be many FALSE PROPHETS……… Food for thought.
Keep smiling and keep praying to our Blessed Mother as she is the CO – REDEMTRIX.
John I dont have to answer any of your questions….. you dont happen to be God.
How do you know that what ever you are saying is TRUE and we Catholics are wrong blah blah.
You Protestants or whatever love to PREACH so be happy with what you do and dont mind other Christian worship………each one for their own and God for us all.
To my knowledge, there are primarily two positions among protestants who argue that they are and therefore are unaware of our needs.
The first holds that when our bodies die, our spirits either die as well or sleep (unaware of anything), until the Resurrection, when both body and spirit will be reconstituted.
The second holds that when our bodies die, our spirits live on, having ‘ascended into heaven’. But there is something which impedes the spirit’s particular knowledge of us. I’ve heard various explanations of what this something might be. The two that come immediately to mind are: One, “I can no more ‘talk’ to those in heaven, than I as an American can ‘talk’ to those in China (and heaven doesn’t have a telephone)”. Two, if a spirit in heaven knew of our particulars, that spirit would become sad and since there is no sadness in heaven, it follows that he/she is not aware of our particulars.
I’ll offer the Catholic response (insomuch as I am able), but will not enter into a brawl with anyone.
In response to the first. The spirit does not die. But it did remain in the grave until Christ resurrected. At this juncture, there is a great deal of agreement between the Catholic position and those who hold to the first view. The two major differences are 1) Catholics do not believe these spirits were entirely inanimate or unconscious. 2) What the first view is holding off (ie, the resurrection of the spirit), until the final, general resurrection, Catholics believe it has already occurred. This is what we mean in part, when we confess, in our creed, “He (Christ) descended into hell (the grave)”. We believe He liberated the captive spirits who were there. This is famously depicted in the Pasch icons of the East. In these icons, Christ stands in the middle, the gates of death broken beneath His feet. With one hand He is pulling Adam up from his grave, with the other hand, He is pulling Eve up from her’s. The two hands which Christ holds are pointed downward, expressing lifelessness, limpness, and thus, total dependence on Christ. At Pascha, you can hear the Eastern Church gloriously sing, “Christ is risen from the dead, trampling down death by death and upon those in the tombs bestowing light!”. Eph. 4:7 But to each one of us grace has been given as Christ apportioned it.8 This is why it says:“When he ascended on high,he led captives in his train and gave gifts to men.†9(What does “he ascended†mean except that he also descended to the lower, earthly regions? Some translations have, “he led captivity captive”. The meaning however is the same.
So from the Catholic viewpoint, these once captive (and in a very real sense, dead) spirits are now in heaven with Christ, having ascended there, with Him. Now everyone’s spirit ascends toward heaven upon death, the grave has no more power over the children of Adam who believe. That is why we believe, that ‘the spirits of just men made perfect’ are now in heaven. The curse is beginning to lift in a very real way.
In answer to the second, there’s not much that can be said, since the argument is based almost entirely on logic and not Scriptural exegesis. But I will say this. I don’t believe heaven is a geographical location like China (I don’t believe Scripture gives any indication that it is) and secondly, it does not follow that the spirits in heaven would be sad if they were aware of our neediness. On both accounts, I believe the logic is flawed. I also want to address quickly, the issue of hearing. It’s asked, “How can those in heaven hear us all at once?” But this is to miss the point. Catholics claim that the spirits in heaven have knowledge of our particulars. This is not the same as claiming that they hear us. This knowledge may come through hearing, it may not (and having a precise definition of “hearing” would be helpful too).
Georgy latest post on ‘Opinion’ is something everyone here should read:
https://www.turnbacktogod.com/whats-in-an-opinion/
God bless.
Cheryl thanks for clearing on those points. : )
Really, we have so much to gather from this whole blog. Thanks for pointing on “opinions” link.
The Flower Of Humanity
You were not called one from many, Mary, You were in Our Creator’s thought long before creation. A mere selection process from our species would not be adequate for one to be the Mother of God made Man.
Thus, of our species, You are unique – in fact You are Immaculate !
For only such a person could conceive Almighty God.
Yes, blessed art Thou and blessed the Fruit of Your womb – Our Lord Jesus!
What a privilege to be the Mother of Our Saviour promised aeons ago for the salvation of our race… Ordained to be also Our Mother for we have been
placed in Your care by the one and only God .
By Liam Ó Comáin
There is only one Saviour that is Jesus the son of Mary.As there is only one Church i.e.The Catholic Church.Our Lord said to the 1st Pope,Peter,that he would be the foundation of his church(not churches) and that whatever he or his descendents declared re faith and morals it would be in accord with the will of God.And that inspite of breakways or scandal,etc.,the gates of hell would not prevail against its members.Thus as a Catholic I go to Confession for Jesus through this sacrament ensures that his priests has the power to forgive:”Whose sins you shall forgiven they are forgiven, whose sins you shall retain they are retained.”
Liam Ó Comáin
Every minister that loves the Lord Jesus Christ will not draw attention to himself, let alone claim the power to forgive sin.
One would have to outright deny the Word of God and call Jesus Christ a liar by not acknowledging that Christ, and He alone, is the only One Who can forgive our sins. The only One who can forgive sins is the One Who paid for our sins and that is Jesus Christ. Why are they not directing their parishioners to Christ instead of themselves? Remember–nowhere in the New Testament can you find one case where any of the Apostles ever forgave anyone’s sin. They always pointed their listeners to Jesus Christ.
There is only one Person Who can forgive your sin. There is only one Person Who paid for your sin. There is only one Person Who is your Mediator, and there is only one Person Who can give you eternal life. That Person is the LORD JESUS CHRIST. Whether you go to Heaven or Hell depends on who you want to believe, the Lutheran preacher, the Catholic priest, or THE LORD JESUS CHRIST.
If I was visiting a church where the preacher got up and stated he would forgive my sins, I would get up and walk out immediately. I would not subject myself or my family to that type of brainwashing; but would find myself a good, Bible-teaching church where Jesus was exalted–not the preacher!
Lula – there is such a thing as witchcraft
also your comment to john – we cannot pray anyone into heaven it’s how they lived their life here on earth – if they repented to God (not a priest) for their sins and lifed according to the bible then they will go to heaven – if they did not repent to God even if they were a “morally” good person they will go to hell – once you close your eyes in death that’s it — there is no reprieve – you can cry your eyes out from now till judgement every one is responsible for his or her own soul.
HI ALL,
PLEASE STOP ALL THESE IDOLATRY THINGS.
MEDITATE BIBLE…BE IN HOLY SPIRIT…PRAY TO GOD OUR FATHER IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST.
WORSHIP THE CREATOR…NOT THE CREATION.
***PLS DON’T WORSHIP ANY OTHER IDOLS***
GOD USED MARY FOR HIS PURPOSE AS HE USED HIS DESIPLES THAT’S IT.
JESUS CAME TO THIS WORLD AS A SAVIOUR BUT NOT MARY.
JESUS IS THE ONLY WAY TO HEAVEN.
BE WISE IN CHRIST …THANK YOU.
liam o comain:
If you say that priest have power to fogive..Woe to you bro/sis.
As sister Evangelist said..name of Jesus alone have the power to forgive sins..
sreeNIVAS: Well said brother..
JESUS is 100% man , 100% GOD.
as a man HE took birth from a lady called Mary, as a man only He fulfilled HIS responsibilities towards Mary.
but When HE become Christ HE never called her as ‘mother’.
GOD used many things from the BIRTH to HIS crusification and resurrection like
mary, joseph
Desiples
cross
and the tomb for HIS porpuse.
So if you worship Mary you have to worship even desiples , cross and tomb also. how funny n foolishness this is.?
All those the things n persons used by HIM was blessed. they will also be with all of us when JESUS comes second time.
BIBLE says clearly HE is the WAY , TRUTH and the LIFE.
if you worship Idols …then no difference between Christians and the WORLD.
CHRISTIAN = who fallow the CHRIST (not other things)
***WORSHIP THE CREATOR NOT THE CREATION.***
If you say that priest have power to fogive..Woe to you bro/sis.
“Again Jesus said, “Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you.†And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.†(John 20:21-23)”
(FYI, This isn’t just a ‘catholic thing’. Luther (and Lutherans) believe the same. At every service, after the public confession of sins, the pastor stands before the congregation and making a sign of the cross says, “In the stead and by the command of our Lord Jesus Christ, I forgive you of all your sins, in the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.” The congregation replies, “Amen” (meaning, ‘so be it’)).
In regard to Scripture versus Pictures, has it occurred to some here that throughout history and even now, many people cannot read and that pictorial art has served as a teaching aid?
Has it also occurred to many here, that there is often times a fine line between what is written and what is drawn? Writing is itself an art form. Would anyone object to Scripture being handwritten by a person skilled in calligraphy rather than typeset by a printing press?
I am partially a descendant of one of the very few Native American tribes (ie Cherokee) that actually possesses a written language, most other tribes used pictorial symbols to get their message across. The Chinese have a similar history as did the ancient Egyptians and cultures too numerous to count. Should the Gospel not be conveyed in a style they understand, because it doesn’t meet our definition of the ‘written word’?
Also, by not allowing Christians to instruct others through their artistic ability is to relegate their talents to the world. It’s to say, “We have no need of your gifts”.
Can you imagine a Pastor telling someone, “We have no need of your talents as a stonemason sir. I’m sure the world could use your services to create little garden gnomes, but to create an artistic rendition of Mary in stone, why that’s idolatry! I’m sure you understand.” ?
What about, “Oh, Mr. Painter, sir, no renditions of ‘Jesus and the Little Children’. We can’t have that in the Church, that would be idolatry! But I’m sure someone somewhere would love to hang your paintings of fruit and flowers in their museum.” ?
And the worst, “Suzy…little Suzy…how many times do I have to tell you not to place wild flowers beneath a picture of Jesus…where did you get that picture anyways? Burn it. It’s idolatry and what you are doing is idolatrous! Stop crying Suzy, you should know better! Shame on you.”
As an artist, this is all so incomprehensible to me.
cheryl:
yes..In name of Jesus and with faith in Him…we can forgive..no doubt in that..if that bro/sis liam o comain have belief like the same..no problem.
yes..In name of Jesus and with faith in Him…we can forgive..no doubt in that..if that bro/sis liam o comain have belief like the same..no problem.
So, what do you understand Liam to be saying? Ie, why do you disagree with him/her?
OK John.Now you are contradicting yourself.
Catholicism seems to be “routine Christianity” with a few add-ons, e.g., the Pope and a few more sacraments. This is because most most Catholics don’t study the official teachings of the Vatican, teachings Catholics are required to accept as given from God, under penalty of eternal damnation for anyone who refuses to believe them.
False doctrine is false doctrine.
We must not ignore false teachings in the interests of fake and self-contradictory “church unity.” 2 Corinthians 6:14b-15a “For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness? [15] What harmony is there between Christ and Belial?” In Matthew 10:34 Jesus said “Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.” It doesn’t matter whether the people promoting false teachings are acting in good faith, it doesn’t matter whether they are doing so in Christ’s name, it doesn’t matter whether they have a lot of followers, and it doesn’t matter whether they are “doing good”
Choose wisely whom you follow.
Ex. 20:3-6 You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God…
Please Please go threw this once….
http://spiritlessons.com/Documents/Prepare_to_meet_your_God/index.htm
and see what JESUS is telling about the Idolatries.
thank you.
May GOD bless all of us with Truth n wisdom.
I am giving you evidences why catholicism is considered as unbiblical.Please take some time and verify and reasearch these things yourselves. You need to know which side you are in.Your beliefs will seal your eternal destinaton.
Catholic doctrine teaches that Mary was born without sin and never sinned.(Catholic Catechism, par. 966 ) Contradicts – Romans 3:22b-23 [22b], Romans 3:10-12 [10]
Catholic doctrine teaches that Mary became the cause of salvation for the whole human race and that we have life through Mary.(Catholic Catechism, par. 494,par.966 ) Contradicts John 14:6 , 1 John 5:12
Catholic doctrine teaches that Mary brings us the gifts of eternal salvation.(Catholic Catechism, par. 969) Contradicts John 14:6
Catholic doctrine teaches that Mary is our intercessor, our advocate, our helper and our mediator.(Catholic Catechism, par. 969 ) Contradicts 1 Timothy 2:5-6
Catholic doctrine teaches that Jesus’ sacrificial work is still continuing.(Catholic Catechism, par. 1367, 1405, 1414) Contradicts John 19:30 , 1 Peter 3:18a , Hebrews 10:11-12 , Hebrews 9:24-28
Catholic doctrine teaches that Christ’s work on the Cross was not sufficient to fully pay for our sins.(Catholic Catechism, par. 1030, 1032, 1129) Contradicts Hebrews 10:11-18
Catholic doctrine teaches that believers will be punished for sins that have already been forgiven.(Catholic Catechism, par. 1471 , 1472) Contradicts John 19:30 , Hebrews 10:11-12
Catholic doctrine teaches that works, e.g., participation in the sacraments are necessary for salvation and that we can earn salvation for ourselves and others by works. (Catholic Catechism, par. 1129 , 1498, 1477, 1479, 2027) Contradicts Romans 10:9,11-18, Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 4:2-5
Catholic doctrine teaches that water baptism is necessary for salvation. (Catholic Catechism, par. 1256 , 1213, 1215) Contradicts Luke 23:39-43 , Romans 10:9, 1 Corinthians 1:14-15, 17 , Mark 16:16
Catholic doctrine teaches that the good works of one believer can pay for the sins of that believer or other believers. (Catholic Catechism, par. 1474 – 1477, 1479, 2027) Contradicts Revelation 20:11-12, Romans 10:9
God bless you.
Vijay,
I’d like to respond, but am very tired and worn out at the moment, so if you don’t mind, my response will have to wait.
Blessings to you all.
To those who believe the rosary is godless or useless,
It just occurred to me to ask-
Who here knows what contemplative prayer is?
I will pray for you so that our lord Jesus will bring you home.For if you remain in a so called ‘reformist’state of mind you are falling into the same trap set for all those who established ‘churches’ and wrongly claimed that they were Christian in opposition to God’s will as proclaimed by Jesus in Holy Scripture.And the trap or traps was the work of Satan.Yes,the so called ‘Reformation’arose as a result of Satan attempting to destroy the Church of Christ.But inspite of the numerious so called churches who claim that they are the Church whom Jesus based upon St.Peter the Catholic Church is the authentic one.
Oh Lord Jesus, Our Saviour,
The modern world appears to be
In need of
‘A Spiritual Revolution’ ,
Inspired by Your Holy Spirit,
Based upon
The Will of Our Father.
Please grant us the Grace
To pray and work
For a Spiritual Revolution;
And may it arise
Like the sun in the morning
Engulfing humanity
With Your truth and love.
And may, Your Mother,
‘Our Lady
Of a Spiritual Revolution’
Come, as always , to our aid
In pursuit of Our Father’s will. Amen.
The Body Of Christ
*
Oh Mother Church
You are the Body of Christ
For Our Saviour
Only established One
Upon the rock which was Peter
Whose successors in due time
Were named ‘Popes’
Men ordained by Your Head
To lead the Church forward
Assured of infallibility
When pronouncing
On faith and morals
And guaranteed that
The gates of hell
Would not prevail against You
In spite of betrayal
Abandonment and heresy…
Oh Mother Church we love You
For You are surely the Body
Of Our Saviour, the Son of Mary.
Liam Ó Comáin
Cheryl & Preethi:
By the power of Holy Spirit..God can speak through man to forgive other sins..
Never i heard that priest in catholic Church forgive like this..
You are able to forgive and do miracles when u filled with His spirit…Seek for that..
@liam o comain,
Going a bit off-topic here… When you talk about “authentic church,” you mean the one established after Christ’s death, but you know, I think it is pointless to talk about the “authentic church” in terms of time.
Authentic is the church that follows Christ’s commands, not the one that was established the earliest. Agree?
the so called ‘Reformation’ arose as a result of Satan attempting to destroy the Church of Christ.
what makes you say that? Is not that true that Reformation tried to get the Church back to purity?
Jesus said ‘upon this rock I will build my Church’,that is, the one and only Church which he established and which the Bible confirms was established there and then upon Peter which even the so called reformist founders acknowledged as the first leader or father of the Christian Church.The word Pope means Father.
The authentic Church is based upon the words of the Son of God not so called reformist personal interpretations.That is persons who refused to believe the spoken word of God when Jesus said that the gates of hell shall not prevail against His Church.That it would continue until judgement day.And that he would give to it the Keys of the Kingdom of Heaven.
At the heart of the reformist heresy is mans ego including the pursuit of personal power and their own definition of the Bible’s contents.And because of these interpretations today we have numerious bodies claiming to be the Church of Christ.
Ask yourself which one of the following is the Church established by Jesus:the Lutheran,the Anglican,or any other.Which all came into being hundreds of years after the death of Jesus.
Yes,they contain many Christians and I have many friends amongst Protestants but accurate history confirms that Christ’s Church established upon Peter is the Catholic Church.
After all where did The Bible come from?
Its no where written in the bible…..
“Then Barnabas departed for Tarsus to seek Saul. And when he had found him, he brought him to Antioch. So it was that for a whole year they assembled with the church and taught a great many people. And the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch.”
This is the first time people were called as Christians
Do u see the name of Peter any where
I hope it is hidden
u will find the name of Barnabas…….. who helped Saul to become Paul
and the name of Paul
Regarding the Reformation (actually reformations), the political/cultural/religious contexts out of which they arose are far too complex to attribute them (as a whole) to the work of Satan or even the work of God.
CCC 817 In fact, “in this one and only Church of God from its very beginnings there arose certain rifts, which the Apostle strongly censures as damnable. But in subsequent centuries much more serious dissensions appeared and large communities became separated from full communion with the Catholic Church – for which, often enough, men of both sides were to blame.” The ruptures that wound the unity of Christ’s Body – here we must distinguish heresy, apostasy, and schism – do not occur without human sin: Where there are sins, there are also divisions, schisms, heresies, and disputes. Where there is virtue, however, there also are harmony and unity, from which arise the one heart and one soul of all believers.
Also, keep in mind that according to Roman Catholicism, the Eastern Orthodox churches ect. are considered authentic churches.
CCC 1399 The Eastern churches that are not in full communion with the Catholic Church celebrate the Eucharist with great love. “These Churches, although separated from us, yet possess true sacraments, above all – by apostolic succession – the priesthood and the Eucharist, whereby they are still joined to us in closest intimacy.” A certain communion in sacris, and so in the Eucharist, “given suitable circumstances and the approval of Church authority, is not merely possible but is encouraged.”
-And that, protestant churches/communions are considered to be:
CCC 838 “The Church knows that she is joined in many ways to the baptized who are honored by the name of Christian, but do not profess the Catholic faith in its entirety or have not preserved unity or communion under the successor of Peter.” Those “who believe in Christ and have been properly baptized are put in a certain, although imperfect, communion with the Catholic Church.”
Finally:
CCC 855 The Church’s mission stimulates efforts towards Christian unity. Indeed, “divisions among Christians prevent the Church from realizing in practice the fullness of catholicity proper to her in those of her sons who, though joined to her by Baptism, are yet separated from full communion with her. Furthermore, the Church herself finds it more difficult to express in actual life her full catholicity in all its aspects.”
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Ktulu,
You’re right. “authentic” is not determined by time. Yet by the same token, Catholics cannot affirm that the Church, once begun by Christ, had died out or in some other way, disappeared. For Catholics, it’s not a matter of age, but of consistency, of perpetuity, of preservation.
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John,
Never i heard that priest in catholic Church forgive like this.
In what way have you heard, “that priests in the Catholic Church forgive”?
tell the history
how did the books got collected
how did the book or torah and pentuech got collected………
which was the first book written
which was the first book written in the old and new testament
it seems u feel that peter started the new testament
You can try to find the answers and i hope that will help
You can try to find answers from historians also
GOD does not want to give his glory to anybody
GOD does want to give HIS glory to anyone
please remember….
GOD does want to give his glory to any person….
do not exalt the person so much
u might say u are not doing
otherwise there will not be so much debate going on for such a lont time
GOD chose mary….. there is no greatness in mary for that…….. she humcly accepted GOD’s will like a GOD fearing lady….. why are you trying to exlat her so much……….. which even if she might would been alived did not like it…
At the heart of the reformist heresy is mans ego including the pursuit of personal power and their own definition of the Bible’s contents.And because of these interpretations today we have numerious bodies claiming to be the Church of Christ.
I don’t think it’s fair to say that at the ‘heart of the reformist’ ‘so-called’ ‘heresy is man’s ego’ and ‘the pursuit of personal power’. Have you ever read any of Luther’s works? Or John Wesley’s? I doubt it, or you wouldn’t say such things. Also your statement, ‘…claiming to be the Church of Christ’ is inaccurate. For the most part, protestant churches celebrate an open communion. Meaning, that although there are theological disagreements among them, none of them claim to be the ‘Church of Christ’ to the exclusion of all others. Even, those, like confessional Lutherans who adhere to a ‘closed communion’, do not believe that they are the ‘Church of Christ’ to the exclusion of all others, but will tell you that the Church is to be found where the Gospel is rightly proclaimed and the sacraments rightly ministered. Even amidst Luther’s conciliar disagreements with the R.C. ‘authorities’ of his time, he believed that the Church could still be found within the R.C. Church, because, as he believed, the sacraments were still present and the Gospel was still read.
Ask yourself which one of the following is the Church established by Jesus:the Lutheran,the Anglican,or any other.Which all came into being hundreds of years after the death of Jesus.
This is a red herring. You have to understand that most protestants do not consider apostolic succession (via the laying on of hands), a mark of the Church. Apostolic succession for them is doctrinal. So to ask a Lutheran (for instance), when was your church founded-is to miss the point. In fact, they would say, 2000 yrs ago, by Christ, because of the reason I gave above. Catholics maintain both views of successions. In fact, it would be in serious error, to lay too great a stress on the laying on of hands, to the exclusion of apostolic doctrine. We can talk about this in more detail if you like, but it is my opinion that you have too narrow an understanding of both the Catholic Church and Protestantism.
Yes,they contain many Christians and I have many friends amongst Protestants but accurate history confirms that Christ’s Church established upon Peter is the Catholic Church.
After all where did The Bible come from?
Where did the Bible come from is somewhat of a different topic, from the question of Peter’s apostolic supremacy-so I’m going to leave that alone. Regarding Peter-it is true that Christ founded the Church upon him/his faith (you can’t really separate the two). But understand, that the Church Christ founded (on Peter), extends to all Christians and to all church’s to whatever degree the faith of Peter resides. As one catholic friend of mine said half-jokingly, ‘All Christians are Catholics whether they like it or not’.
God Bless.
cheryl this would be a good video for you to watch on comtiemplative prayer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_Z15R1hqIE
And like all The Sacraments they are there for our eternal salvation.And we need them for there are and have been bad Popes,Priests,etc,.
Let us praise the Lord for our salvation and let us thank Mary for her ‘Yes’ to Gabriel- for if she had said ‘no’ our race would not have experienced Salvation!Think about it!
From Ireland I wish to state that to those who love Christ but who are not a member of the Church he established please read the books of the Protestant Minister who converted to Catholicism i.e.,Scott Hahn of the United States.
In Christ I love you all.
Yet I love you and I pray that you will enter the Church established by Jesus for inspite of your anti-Catholic views Jesus died for us all.And remember the tide of reformism took well over a thousand years to arise from hell.In the meantime the followers of Christ were involved in the evolution of Catholicism across the globe and the formulation of the Christian Bible.The word ‘Catholic’ implies ‘universal’that is world-wide Christianity.
That does not mean however that the members of the Church were all saints for much wrong was done in the name of the Church by its human leaders and members.Even until this very moment.
Jesus said that being followers of his would be defined by us loving one another.But as a Catholic (not a Roman Catholic)I have experienced a hatred of my faith from so called ‘reformists’within and without the media.Satan must be rubbing his hands with glee as he surely done when after hundreds of years this person or that person decided to break from the Church of Christ and establish the Anglican Church or the Presbyterian Church,etc,.And even in our own century mans ego is still being manipulated by Satan for many are the new churches established one of whose central feature is hatred of Catholicism.A hatred contrary to God who is Love.
Cheryl, as a Catholic my faith is so much a part of my being that to attack it verbally is an attack on my person.Yes, Satan knew that a house divided against itself cannot stand so through mans weakness he sought to conquer via division.Just as today within the Catholic Church he seeks to destroy via Priests involved in sexual acts with children. For if he can destroy the Christ created Priesthood he believes that inspite of the word of Jesus the Christian Church established upon Peter shall not prevail.
God bless you.
Please lay off the reformers unless you can find something more substantial (than mere assertions) to back up your claims (and that ‘something’ ought to be from the reformers themselves).
Evangelist,
Thanks for the link. I’ll take a look and hopefully get back to you.
The catholic church is NOT the church Jesus established. If it was then why aren’t they doing as Peter did — laying hands on the sick and they recover,raising the dead
‘They’ do. Throughout history, God has seen fit to give many within the Church the gift to heal. Then there is the actual sacrament, called the ‘sacrament of the sick/dying’, whereby the priest lays his hand on the afflicted individual and heals them according to God’s desire (be that spiritual or physical). Then there are exorcism (casting out of demons). And if that wasn’t enough, God often times sends his children from heaven to heal the sick and raise the dead e.g. Lourdes.
(not playing bingo games to raise money)
That’s not fair.
have the baptism of the holy ghost?
Are you referring to the ability to ‘speak in tongues’?
No where in the Bible does it say that Peter or any of the disciples talked to Mary and ask her to pray to Jesus for them
I’m not sure where you’re going with this. Mary was living after Jesus’ resurrected.
— NO they asked the Fathere in Jesus name — when Peter preached in Jesus Names – On the day of Pentecost 3000 souls got saved – they ask what shall we do – Peter did not say ask Mary NO he said: Acts 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? 38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Repentance and Baptism (which is ordinarily necessary for salvation) is totally different from ‘talking to Mary’ (which isn’t necessary). You can’t compare the two.
Peter is not the founder of the church………pls
Its no where written in the bible…..
Peter is not the founder. That is correct and if I indicated that he was, I misspoke and apologize. Yet the Church was founded on Peter insomuch as it was founded on his faith. The founder is Jesus though.
“Then Barnabas departed for Tarsus to seek Saul. And when he had found him, he brought him to Antioch. So it was that for a whole year they assembled with the church and taught a great many people. And the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch.â€
This is the first time people were called as Christians
Do u see the name of Peter any where
I hope it is hidden
u will find the name of Barnabas…….. who helped Saul to become Paul
and the name of Paul
I’m not sure I understand your point. I’ve never met pope Benedict XVI, but that doesn’t mean he’s not the pope (as I believe he is).
as far as i feel- no body is against the catholics here
probably few of us want to tell to give importance to GOD not to person…
why fighting for being catholic or protestant or pentecost or angelican…..- why can’t we all be just Christians
that is most of the people here want
going according to word of GOD….
Jesus was there even before the world existed…….
Even before Mary was born
Even before she knew GOD
Even before she knew that she has been choosen for one important mission to bring the son of GOD to this earth, if it would not have been Mary, then it would have been some other lady…. Bible says ohhhhhh!!!!!! highly favored lady…..- GOD showed favor to her…., If she might would have not said let it not happen according to the things you say—- u know what might would have happen………..???
yeah GOD would have choosen some other person….- showed his fabor unto some one else..
why asking prayer to Jesus… Jesus said what ever u ask to MY Father……- 1st and foremost thing is to ask prayer to JESUS’s Father and I will be more than Happy to do it.
Jesus has been obedient to HIS Father, Other than HIS will, HE will not do anything….
Let not MY(JESUS) will, but let YOUR will be done ………- this are the words of JESUS…..
“we know where says…….- what ever you ask to and say prayer to mary(chosen vessel) or any of my disciples(chosen vessels) then i will take it and tell it to my Father in Heaven……- did say this thing any where……”
sad part is that our Catholic Brothers and Sisters think that they are not blessed and they cannot directly go to pray to JESUS….
and pray to some one who is dead….-
like other people in other religion do….-
How did Roman Catholics started ……… – after the king Contastine……..-
Some believe that in 312 CE when Emperor Constantine proclaimed he had had a vision to unite the Roman Empire under a universal (i.e. “catholic”) church, this began the Roman Catholic Church. Others point to earlier dates (certain of the “Church fathers”) or later dates (to Nicea or other councils).
In my opinion, the Catholic Church began on February 27, 380 when Emperor Theodosius issued his edict, De Fide Catolica, in Thessalonica, published in Constantinople, declaring Catholic Christianity as the state religion of the Roman Empire.
Following the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 CE the followers of Jesus, like the Jews, spread out through the known world. These people studied and prayed and sought God’s direction according to their ability. Some of these people supported merging their doctrines with Roman Pagan doctrines in an attempt to lessen the persecutions and gain official recognition by the Empire. Others doubtless supported this position out of lack of knowledge. They were Romans and they knew these teachings, but were ignorant of Jewish scripture and doctrine. In the New Testament Paul and others warn that Pagan and other “heretical views” were being introduced into the Church. It can be argued that these Romanized teachings were included in these warnings.
I wrote comment #495 before I read yours (#494). These comments are not in order for some reason. Anyways, if you will indulge me, I’d like to respond to your most recent (#494).
Cheryl,
Jesus said that being followers of his would be defined by us loving one another.
Yes. Definitely.
But as a Catholic (not a Roman Catholic)I have experienced a hatred of my faith from so called ‘reformists’within and without the media.Satan must be rubbing his hands with glee as he surely done when after hundreds of years this person or that person decided to break from the Church of Christ and establish the Anglican Church or the Presbyterian Church,etc,.
I understand. I too have experienced such hatred, but coming from a Lutheran background, I have also experienced a similar sort of hatred for Luther et al. That’s why I find your comments so troublesome. Linking the Reformers (or protestant churches) with the Devil, is just as unnerving to me, as if someone were to link the Catholic Church with the Devil. I’ve been hit from both sides, you might say and know that, unfortunately, both sides have dished it out equally. In fairness, this is often times the product of ignorance, sometimes zealousness for one’s faith, sometimes it runs deeper (the attacks so to speak, coming from a person whose been deeply, deeply hurt). We all live in glass houses and no one should throw stones, but as you said, love one another.
And even in our own century mans ego is still being manipulated by Satan for many are the new churches established one of whose central feature is hatred of Catholicism.A hatred contrary to God who is Love.
I understand. Please don’t think I am blind to these things. God is love as you said. All I am saying to you is, don’t relegate the reformers or protestant churches as a whole to the Devil’s work. It’s true that the work of Satan is to divide, but as the Catechism clearly states, both sides are to blame.
Cheryl, as a Catholic my faith is so much a part of my being that to attack it verbally is an attack on my person.
Yes. That’s why I still find myself engaged in this ongoing conversation. It is very painful. Sometimes I feel like my heart is being twisted as far as it can twist and then torn into shreds. This is also why I am not a fan of apologetics. I hate to argue.
Yes, Satan knew that a house divided against itself cannot stand so through mans weakness he sought to conquer via division.Just as today within the Catholic Church he seeks to destroy via Priests involved in sexual acts with children. For if he can destroy the Christ created Priesthood he believes that inspite of the word of Jesus the Christian Church established upon Peter shall not prevail.
Yes and please understand I am not denying that Satan has, is, and will continue trying to destroy the Church. All I ask of you is to remember that the Church encompasses protestants too; by their baptisms, they have the Holy Spirit. And it is the Holy Spirit in them (as well as in us), that is actively fighting against Satan, bearing spiritual fruit, enlightening the darkness and working…really working in these other churches.
God bless you.
And you.
If the Catholic Church began in 380 AD- AS YOU CLAIM- when an emperor issued an edict where did the Church founded upon St.Peter go to? Where is it today? Are you implying that all Christian church bodies are as equal to the Church founded by Jesus? If so why did Our Lord emphasize when addressing Peter that I will give to you the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven? And, contrary to your position, historical records and authentic tradition traces the Papacy right back to Peter. Even reformist historians acknowledge this.
Any one who believes in and tries to follow Christ is a Christian. Yes, the Holy Spirit is working within all Christians.And you are correct when you contend that the Spirit is working within all ‘churches’.But my firm belief is that the Catholic Church was founded by Jesus and that inspite of the failings of its leaders there was no need for other churches to be founded.Jesus founded and guaranteed his Church’s continuation.By setting up other churches the ‘reformers’failed in adhering to the word of God made man.And as history records even the founders of the other churches could not agree upon the truth otherwise if Catholicism was a heresy we would expect to see a united reformed Protestant Church.
No, Cheryl, in all honesty I sincerely believe that Satan sought to divide and conquer.And the biggest blow that we can give him is the return of the reformist churches to the Church of Christ.That is my prayer.
Cheryl, I hope that my sincerely held beliefs have not offended you or any members of other christian churches. God bless!
How do you Obtain Salvation ?
“Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
” Acts 16:30-31
Not by Peter, Not by Mary, Not by Works, Not by Mass, Not by Sprinkling, Not by Church Attendance, Not by Tithing, Not by Penance, Not by Confession, Not by Last Rites, Not by Purgotory, Not by Rosary, Not by Pilgrimages, Not by Law, Not by Poverty, Not by Meditation, Not by Catechisms, Not by Candles, Not by Holy Water, Not by Incense, Not by Water Baptism, Not by Devoton to Icons.