Why should we pray to Virgin Mary? The reasons are many.
Why do Catholics pray to Mother Mary? Is Rosary really powerful?
The intercession of Mother Mary is very powerful as Jesus cannot neglect His mothers commands.This can be proved by the first miracle Jesus did at the wedding at Cana. – (John 2:1-11). Mother Mary told Jesus “They have no more wine.” And what was the final result? He turned water into wine.
In “The Poem of the Man-God” by Maria Valtorta, she says that Jesus told her about this incident as “I did it for Mary”. This proves that the intercession of Mother Mary is very very strong.
Mother Mary was blessed with Holy Spirit abundantly. We can see this as we read “At that time Mary got ready and hurried to a town in the hill country of Judea, where she entered Zechariah’s home and greeted Elizabeth. When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the baby leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit.” (Luke 1:39-41) ; just by Virgin Mary’s greeting.
Listen to the talk from Apologetics on Mary, Purgatory and The Bible
What the angels thought on this matter:-
When angel appeared before Zechariah,father of John, angel just greets him by his name ,nothing more although he was “upright in the sight of God, observing all the Lord’s commandments and regulations blamelessly.” – (Luke 1:6)
When angel appeared before Joseph, the greeting was like this: “an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said, “Joseph son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary home as your wife, because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit.” – (Matthew 1:20). Angel greeted him ‘son of david’, thats all.
Now let us see how did the angel greet Virgin Mary. It goes like this: “The angel went to her and said, “Greetings, you who are highly favored! The Lord is with you.” (Luke 1:28). See the difference….
Also read the article Mary, The Mystical Rose
I’d be more inclined to draw this sort of diagram.
Father
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Jesus as Mediator (God and Man)
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Holy Spirit (Mediator)(God IN Man)
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Of course, God cannot be subdivided like this. To that extent it is greatly misleading. Nevertheless, I think it does demonstrate a more authentically ‘Catholic’ approach to the saints (in heaven), than the previous diagram.
We do not turn to those in heaven, in the hope that we might somehow entice God. Quite the contrary. We look to them because in them we see God-Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
It’s like walking through the park and all of a sudden something happens which lifts your mind to God, perhaps a gentle breeze or birds fluttering about in the trees. Or like a Christmas song playing on the radio, when before only secular songs were playing. You pause and listen. Again, your thoughts are drawn to God.
The saints are like the breeze, the birds, and a Christmas Carol. If mere earthly things, infused by the Holy Spirit can be such powerful channels of His grace, how much more the Christian?
By being in their presence, by directing our attention toward those in heaven, our hearts are lifted to God.
They are mediators of grace in this sense: That having first received grace, they become a channel of grace for others. Or to put it this way: Having received the fullness of God in Christ, through the Holy Spirit, they are then in turn able by that same grace to lead others back to God in Jesus Christ, through the power of the Holy Spirit at work in them.
Yet, the Holy Spirit does not produce the same grace (gift) in all. The grace (gift) each has received from Him, varies, as one bodily member varies from another. Yet, this is not without purpose.
Each person is given the grace (gift) they are given, so that they may contribute that grace (gift) to the building up of others. We receive, so that we may in turn give.
We do not merely give what grace prompts us to do, our charitable works, talents and prayers, but ourselves-we give ourselves-everything grace has made us.
This in imitation of Christ who gave Himself, not just His teachings, or His miracles, but His heart, His love. All this occures so that together, we may be brought to the fulness of Him who is full of every grace.
Jesus’ mediatorship is not endangered, because the relation of one Christian (or saint) to another, occurs in Him as His own Body.
Jesus Christ brought divinity and humanity together in His one person, so that humanity (us) might be united to the divine . All this is the work of the Holy Spirit who works for us (is our mediator too), in us and through us for our own salvation and for the salvation of others.
Ultimately, we have a part in bringing Christ to others and brings other to Christ, that’s the mediatorship we possess and that’s really what it comes down too.
As a postscript, perhaps some of the difficulty lies in what we associate with the idea of Christ’s mediatorship.
If Christians believe Jesus appeased God’s wrath/justice or somehow was punished for our sins, in our place; then of course, the idea of anyone other than Christ, being called a mediator is absolutely absurd and offensive. Isn’t Christ enough?????!!!! And thus the ‘catholic’ story goes: Since Christ by His death appeases an angry Father by His merits, now the saints (and primarily Mary), appeases Jesus by their merits and so on and so forth on down the line.
Granted, in Luther’s day, some latched onto this idea and every Christian would be right to oppose it as an affront to God and Christ’s mediatorship.
Yet, as ghastly as it is that we need the mediating ‘power’ of ‘more perfect people’ to appease Christ on our behalf, thus making Him gracious toward us, why are we not equally as appalled that the Father’s good name and gracious, loving nature, is being just as maligned–even still? Why is it okay for the Father needing to be appeased, but not Christ? And if this is part of what mediatorship includes, where does the Holy Spirit come in at? (ie Who and by what means did He appease?)
I and others do not think this way and the Church does not ascribe to any particular ‘atonement theory’. Whatever I may mean by Christians mediating grace, I most definately do not mean that Mary, Paul, Peter ect. is ‘up there’ appeasing Christ/God, making Him more pliable toward us (and our requests).
Happy Holidays.
Catholic doctrine commands members to pray to the virgin Mary well that is manmade rules as you said it Joy it’s a Catholic doctrine command that’s about it. I truly hope you find true meaning before His coming. God Bless You.
13 May 1917
“Do not be afraid, I will not harm you.” “I come from heaven.”
“I have come to ask you to come here for six months on the 13th day of the month, at this same hour. Later I shall say who I am and what I desire. And I shall return here yet a seventh time.”
Lucia then asked if they would go to heaven and she was told yes, she and Jacinta would go to heaven, but Francisco would need to say many rosaries first.
Lucia asked about two young women who had died recently, and was told that one was in heaven and the other, her friend Amelia, would be in purgatory “until the end of world.”
“Are you willing to offer yourselves to God and bear all the sufferings He wills to send you, as an act of reparation for the conversion of sinners?”
“Then you are going to have much to suffer, but the grace of God will be your comfort.”
13 June 1917
“Say the Rosary every day, to bring peace to the world and the end of the war.”
“I want you to come on the 13th of next month, [July] to pray the Rosary every day, and to learn to read. Later, I will tell you what I want.”
“If he is converted, he will be cured during the year.” (reference to a sick person)
“I will take Jacinta and Francisco shortly; but you will stay here for some time to come. Jesus wants to use you to make Me known and loved. He wishes to establish the devotion to My Immaculate Heart throughout the world. I promise salvation to whoever embraces it; these souls will be dear to God, like flowers put by Me to adorn his throne.”
“No, my daughter. Are you suffering a great deal? Don’t lose heart. I will never forsake you. My Immaculate Heart will be your refuge and the way that will lead you to God.”
13 July 1917
“I want you to come here on the 13th of next month, [August] to continue to pray the Rosary every day in honour of Our Lady of the Rosary, in order to obtain peace for the world and the end of the war, because only she can help you.”
“Continue to come here every month. In October, I will tell you who I am and what I want, and I will perform a miracle for all to see and believe.”
Lucia made some requests for sick people, to which Mary replied that she would cure some but not others, and that all must say the rosary to obtain such graces, before continuing: “Sacrifice yourselves for sinners, and say many times, especially when you make some sacrifice: O Jesus, it is for love of You, for the conversion of sinners, and in reparation for the sins committed against the Immaculate Heart of Mary.”
“You have seen hell where the souls of poor sinners go. To save them, God wishes to establish in the world devotion to my Immaculate Heart. If what I say to you is done, many souls will be saved and there will be peace. The war is going to end; but if people do not cease offending God, a worse one will break out during the pontificate of Pius XI. When you see a night illumined by an unknown light, know that this is the great sign given you by God that he is about to punish the world for its crimes, by means of war, famine, and persecutions of the Church and of the Holy Father.
“To prevent this, I shall come to ask for the consecration of Russia to my Immaculate Heart, and the Communion of Reparation on the First Saturdays. If my requests are heeded, Russia will be converted, and there will be peace; if not, she will spread her errors throughout the world, causing wars and persecutions of the Church. The good will be martyred, the Holy Father will have much to suffer, various nations will be annihilated. In the end, my Immaculate Heart will triumph. The Holy Father will consecrate Russia to me and she will be converted, and a period of peace will be granted to the world.”
Mary specifically told Lucia not to tell anyone about the secret at this stage, apart from Francisco, before continuing: “When you pray the Rosary, say after each mystery: ‘O my Jesus, forgive us, save us from the fire of hell. Lead all souls to heaven, especially those who are most in need.’ ”
Lucia asked if there was anything more, and after assuring her that there was nothing more, Mary disappeared off into the distance.
August 1917
“Go again to the Cova da Iria on the 13th and continue to say the Rosary every day.
Mary also said she would perform a miracle, so all would believe, and that if they had not been kidnapped it would have been even greater. Lucia then asked how the growing shrine should be administered, and requested cures for the sick, being told that some would be cured during the year.
“Pray, pray very much, and make sacrifices for sinners; for many souls go to hell, because there are none to sacrifice themselves and pray for them.”
13 September 1917
“Continue to pray the Rosary in order to obtain the end of the war. In October Our Lord will come, as well as Our Lady of Dolours and Our Lady of Carmel. Saint Joseph will appear with the Child Jesus to bless the world. God is pleased with your sacrifices. He does not want you to sleep with the rope on, but only to wear it during the daytime.”
Lucia then began to put forward the petitions for cures, to be told: “Yes, I will cure some, but not others. In October I will perform a miracle so that all may believe.”
13 October 1917
“I want to tell you that a chapel is to be built here in my honour. I am the Lady of the Rosary. Continue always to pray the Rosary every day. The war is going to end, and the soldiers will soon return to their homes.”
Lucia made some requests, being informed that people must amend their lives and ask forgiveness of their sins if they wanted healings or conversions. “Do not offend the Lord our God any more, because He is already so much offended.”
*EVERYONE ON THIS PAGE READ CHERYL AND SYLVIA’S COMMENTS. THAT IS EVERYTHING I’M TRYING TO SAY.*
If you still cannot accept these truths, pray to God and read your Bible. That is how all Truth originates.
Loc,
If I was Jesus’s Blessed brother, and I wrote those words thousands of years ago, saying that you were to pray to me for grace, would you do it? If yes, God help you. If no, then what validates prayers to Mary apart from her own words, and apart from the words from Catholic leaders, that explicitly says to pray to her.
soli deo gloria
the truth of this is that, Mary was only a human that is favored by God to bear His only Son to save us from our sins. This event didn’t make her a superhuman with powers to save and answer prayers. the reason that God chose her to bear His Son is that He is pleased with her.
I am sure if Mary knew this is what Catholics do, she wouldn’t want it either.
PRAYING TO ANY OTHER CREATIONS MEANS WORSHIPPING TO THEM ALSO. WORSHIPPING THEM MEANS PUTTING THEM IN GOD’S PLACE. THIS IS IDOLATRY!!
IT DOESN’T PLEASE GOD THAT WE WORSHIP HIM AND ANOTHER CREATION WHICH HE HIMSELF CREATED.
PLEASE CONSIDER THIS, GOD DOESN’T WANT IDOLATERS. THIS IS THE MAIN REASON HE GOT ANGRY TO HIS PEOPLE AND PUNISHED THEM.
WE HURT GOD WHEN WE DO THIS.
God doesn’t require us to have a rosary then pray…
God is concerned with the sincerity in our hearts as we pray.
may the Lord reveal Himself to you.
Seek His truth, it will set you free.
I am a Christian, I believe and pray only to CHRIST
GOD BLESS YOU.
Hi Josiah, if you are Jesus. I have a question.
1. Who took care you after you born until 12 or 15 years old?
2.Who took you to Egypt because King Herod try to killed you?
3. At Cana wedding, Mary said to you “they have no more wine” Why you don’t say NO, my time has not yet come?
John 2:1-11
On the third day a wedding took place at Cana in Galilee. Jesus’ mother was there, and Jesus and his disciples had also been invited to the wedding. When the wine was gone, Jesus’ mother said to him, “They have no more wine.” “Dear woman, why do you involve me?” Jesus replied, “My time has not yet come.” His mother said to the servants, “Do whatever he tells you.” Nearby stood six stone water jars, the kind used by the Jews for ceremonial washing, each holding from twenty to thirty gallons. Jesus said to the servants, “Fill the jars with water”; so they filled them to the brim. Then he told them, “Now draw some out and take it to the master of the banquet.” They did so, and the master of the banquet tasted the water that had been turned into wine. He did not realize where it had come from, though the servants who had drawn the water knew. Then he called the bridegroom aside and said, “Everyone brings out the choice wine first and then the cheaper wine after the guests have had too much to drink; but you have saved the best till now.” This, the first of his miraculous signs, Jesus performed in Cana of Galilee. He thus revealed his glory, and his disciples put their faith in him.
“Do whatever he tells you.”
Mary did NOT tell Jesus what to do! Mary put her Faith and her Trust in Jesus that Jesus would answer her concern (prayer). When we pray to God, we should NOT be dictating to God what we want God to do for us! Like Mary we should petition the Lord with prayer, to Trust that we are safely in God’s Hands, and have Patience, Faith, and Trust in God to answer our prayers.
King Herod the Great ordered the slaughter of all boys under the age of two years, and Joseph took Mary and Jesus to Egypt for safety. Joseph did not bring his family back to Nazareth until after Herod the Great’s death in 4 b.c
umm… Loc, I’m not Jesus………….
Forget about Mary for a second. Forget about the communion of saints.
When God came and assumed human flesh (like we all have), this union was so great, that the lowly human flesh which can do nothing of its own, shared in God’s attributes. Hence, Jesus could heal, raise the dead, had power over nature, could see into men’s hearts ect. This fact about Jesus is not inconsequential, that is, accidential, when what Jesus really came to impart was solely the forgiveness of sins. He does impart that (the forgiveness of sins), but not only that. Our salvation does not consist solely in the forgiveness of sins, but consists in everything Christ did on our behalf; from being conceived and born, living as a child, teenager, man, was persecuted, died, rose and ascended into heaven where He sits at the right hand of God. In rising, He rose bodily as a man, not merely as God, for Thomas touched the wounds of a man who was three days prior, crucified (in other words, it was the same human flesh which was killed, that came to life again). In ascending, He rose bodily as a man, for the disciples saw Him ascend into heaven and He sits at the right hand of the Father as man, for Stephen who was stoned, saw Him as such.
Now, let’s think seriously about this for a minute. At least one man has divine perogatives. But how can this be? We can’t merely say, ‘Oh but that’s Jesus’, unless by ‘Jesus’ we mean that the hands and spit He used to cure the blind man, were somehow in and of themselves more than human. Or the blood He shed was of itself, more than human. Yet, if we chose this route, we have denied the true humanity of Christ. Many here spoke of Mary being human, well, so was Christ. His humanity didn’t possess any special powers that were not given it, by virtue of it’s union with God. It was the Divine Person working in, through, and in concert with the very real “normal” flesh He had assumed. If Mary gave birth to someone who was not at the same time divine, that child could accomplish nothing. Mary did not impart to Christ some super-human flesh. She imparted to Him, the flesh we all have-Adam’s flesh.
So we have a man with divine perogatives. Surely this is an affront to God-to the divine? No, because God did it. I think we all seriously need to come to terms with the real humanity of Christ, before we start with the whole, “Man can’t be like this…”, because at least one man was and we can’t make a special exception for this one man, without denying that he is indeed a true man like any of us.
So looking at Christ and Christ alone, the premise that, “Man can’t do such and such…He can’t be like this…” is true only insofar as someone is merely a man, but insofar as man is united to God, it’s blatantly false.
Which brings me to my concluding point. By uniting Himself to us throught the Spirit and through a shared humanity, He has infused our own human nature (which can do nothing of it’s own), with His own divine powers. For it is not a human spirit which rests on us, but the Divine Spirit. And it is by this Divine Spirit that:
1) Human lips can cry out to God, Abba Father.
2) Human vocal chords can speak in tongues.
3) Human hands can heal and raise the dead.
4) Human shadows (ie Peter’s) and human bones (ie Elisha’s) possess power.
5) Human hearts can possess faith, hope, love.
6) Human faith can move mountains and do even greater things.
And the list goes on and on…until we are told at last in Scripture that we will sit with the man Christ on the very throne He sits and will reign with Him, will tread serpents (or the serpent) under our feet. He will do all this through us, to the glory of His name.
We are to look to the humanity of Christ as our shining example of what the Father has promised us, through His Son. It’s not that we are God. There are only three persons in the Godhead. We are and will always be human persons-created, yet persons to whom the grace of God has imparted the gifts of Himself and His power.
To say that Mary or anyone can not as a matter of course do this or that because they are only human, is to fail to take into account the divine gifts which they have received from a divine hand who is lavish and whose ‘treasury’ of divine gifts and power is never exhausted, but who distributes to each according to His will.
And it is from this vantage point, from Christ and the salvation He bestows, that we can go onto to say certain things of Mary and of ourselves.
John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in ‘him’ may not perish but may have eternal life.
Beating around the bush, that is what happening here. Instead of asking directly, man came up with many new ideas like Mary,rosary saints and what not. People are going far from God by adding many mediators in between.Satan is on a mission to keep you far away from God. And sadly to an extend, he is successful.The Scripture didn’t give you the idea of Mary or rosary. We humans came up with that. We are not suppose to show our creativity when it comes to His Words. Believe what it is written in The Bible. Some beliefs are very strong, that it will even hide the truth.
Many people mentioned, we are not worshiping Mary or rosary, they are just the means to God. The following verse might help them.
John 14:13 Whatever you ask in my name, this I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son
You must have the faith. And believe in Jesus
God Bless you all
I respect Mary because She got God’s favour to give birth of Jesus. Bible says in Isaiah 9:6 (KJV) For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. The Son of GOD came as a child into this world and she Got the privilege to give birth of The Child.
But Bible never said to worship or pray to Mary. But bible says Worship only GOD with your spirit with your mind and with your strength.If u search whole New testament we cannot a single incident where people worshipping or praying to Mary.It is true Jesus handed over Mary to Disciple John. Same John wrote one Gospel and Three Epistle but never asked any one of us to pray to Mary. But he wrote these Words of Jesus:- John 15:7 (KJV) If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.Also in John 14:13 (KJV) And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
We have to respect Mary no doubt but we should only to pray to the Father in Heaven thru’ Christ Jesus. Those who accepted Jesus Christ as their personal saviour and become the child of GOD received the Spirit of son ship.Romans 8:14 (KJV) For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.Galatians 4:6 (KJV) And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
Bible says Hebrews 4:14-16 (KJV)14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. 15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. 16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.Please note we are asked to go directly to Father thru’ Jesus Christ not thru’ anybody else. If we are trying to approach The FATHER in Heaven thru’ someone other than JESUS CHRIST we are actually saying that we are not =trusting the WORDS of Jesus.This is what Eve also did in the garden of Eden.Not trusting the Word of God is the greatest sin.Eve entered into that sin we all knew what was the after effect of that sin. Please trust the Word of Jesus don’t try to analysis the Word and enter into unbelief.
Pray Only to Father thru’ Jesus. Jesus taught us how to pray. Can anyone show in that prayer the name of Mary. Hold on to Jesus teachings.
The rosary is based upon Scripture.
Here are the ‘prayers’ in the order they traditionally appear:
1.Make a sign of the cross and say:
In the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. Amen+
2.The Apostle’s creed:
I believe in God, the Father Almighty, Creator of heaven and earth; and in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord; Who was conceived by the Holy Spirit, born of the Virgin Mary, suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died, and was buried. He descended into hell; the third day He arose again from the dead. He ascended into heaven, and sits at the right hand of God, the Father Almighty; from thence He shall come to judge the living and the dead. I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Catholic Church, the communion of Saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body and life everlasting. Amen
3.The Lord’s Prayer:
Our Father, who art in heaven, hallowed be Thy name; Thy kingdom come; Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread; and forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us; and lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil. Amen.
4. The Angelic Annoucement and Elizabeth’s Blessing:
Hail, full of grace the Lord is with you.
Blessed are you among women and blessed is the fruit of your womb (Jesus).
conclusion: Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us (sinners) now and at the hour of our deaths. Amen.
5. Oh my Jesus, forgive us our sins and save us from the fires of hell. Lead all souls to heaven, especially those in most need of thy mercy. Amen.
6. The Glory Be:
Glory be to the Father and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit, as it was in the beginning is now and will be forever, world without end. Amen.
At this point other prayers are often said. The concluding prayer goes like this:
Let us pray. O God, whose only begotten Son, by His life, death, and resurrection, has purchased for us the rewards of eternal life, grant, we beseech Thee, that meditating upon these mysteries of the Most Holy Rosary of the Blessed Virgin Mary, we may imitate what they contain and obtain what they promise, through the same Christ Our Lord. Amen.
This last prayer in a nutshell is why we pray the rosary. Although we ask Mary to graciously pray for us. It is only in, through, with and because of Christ that we do so-indeed, can do so. We beseech Mary in Jesus’ name. Jesus stands between us and Mary. Jesus mediates between one Christian and another. If we did not pray through Christ and in His name, then beseeching Mary would be pointless. We can only enjoy the company of the saints in heaven, if we are first in the company of Christ.
John,
Perhaps you’ve already mentioned this and I overlooked it. If so, please forgive me. Do you believe we can pray directly to Jesus, or only to the Father in Jesus’ name?
Thanks.
Dear Cheryl,
Praise the Lord.
Bible says- Isaiah 9:6 (KJV) For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. This verse is about Jesus written almost 700 years before brith of Immanual (GOD is with us).So if we pary to Lord Jesus we are parying to The Father only. According to this verse He himself is Al Mighty GOD & Everlasting Father. Jesus Himself said in John 10:30 (KJV) I and my Father are one. Paul said in Colossians 2:9 (KJV) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. So Jesus is God Himself so we can pary to HIM but at the same time Jesus said we have to Honour the Fahter & He himself said us to pary to Father in HIS Name.
If anyone can understand thru’revelation (not out of the Wisdom of the World) the true meaning of Father The Son and the Holy Spirit then those person will come out from this confusion. Be blessed in JESUS Name.
Alfred Thomas says—People are going far from God by adding many mediators in between.Satan is on a mission to keep you far away from God. And sadly to an extend, he is successful.
Alfred i agree with you that satan is successful to an extent. perhaps, you have seen non-believers, sinners who pray to Mary. but you should meet devotees of Mary who believe in Jesus!
this is true that many non believers and sinners pray(worship)to Mary not because they love her or believe in Jesus, but they just want some favors..they want earthly things, not heavenly.
but anyone knows how many non believers and sinners came to Jesus through Mary??? millions. millions of people all over the world in the past and it’s still happening!
i have a thought for you. if Mary’s devotion is a wark of satan then he must be foolish because many people are coming back to God.
if he is working against himself “then how will his kingdom stand?”Mathew 12:22-32
Mary is just another human that prays to God. We only worship God in Spirit and in Truth. You do not go emotional with these matters. Find the truth of God not the dictates of men.
One can even be better than Mary if he or she believes in the Lord Jesus Christ say. Please read Jesus declaration…
“And it came to pass, as Jesus spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice and said unto him. Blessed is the womb that bare thee and the paps which thou hast sucked”. But Jesus said, “Yeah rather blessed are they that hear the word of God and do it” LUKE 11:27-28
Be advised.
edpaul
John.
I’m confused…are you not Trinitarian?
Dear Cheryl,
I beleive in whole bible( 66 books in the Bible.
I knew & believing The Father, The Son & Holy Spiit.
Jesus said John 17:21 (KJV) That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. He said Father is in hIm & HE is in Fahter. Bible alos says GOD is Spirit and LORD is Spirit.
I am experiencing the Love of The Father in Heaven; Jesus Christ is my LORD & Saviour; Holy Spirit is my teacher and guide Who leads me into all Truth.
John 1:1-4 (KJV)1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. John 1:14 (KJV) And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Be Blessed in Jesus Name.
This debate will go on and on. Here is the bottom line. If you find the need to pray to anyone else but to Christ then there is only one reason why. You don’t know Jesus Christ personally. If you have to go to a third party instead of going straight to Him then, you DON’T know Him and you are missing out on the greatest blessing in life. If I had a personal relationship with the President of the USA, I mean we are close friends, when I need to talk to him, ask him for something would I go to the secretary of state? Maybe the vice-president? These two people are important but again, if I am a close personal friend of the president and he has told me that I can go straight to him 24/7, would I not go to him?
Read carefully…If you have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ you will never have the need to go through any third party. How di I know this? Its in the Bible and I live it everyday.
I totaly agree with Marcos because I know what he means.As Marcos said I too everyday talk to my elder brother Jesus Christ & also thru’HIM to my Father in Heaven. Holy Spirit always with me and helping me to Live in the Rightousness of Jesus Christ.And it only because of GOD’s GRACE I am able to lead this kind this life.
Testimony and A Study of Catholic Practice and Doctrine
by a Former Catholic NUN (Mary Ann Collins).
Can read it over here.Good one.
http://www.biblebelievers.com/bennett/bennett_mary-worship.html
I’m sorry but I still don’t understand. It seems as if you are saying that the Father and the Son are the same person within the Godhead. Can you clarify I bit better? Thanks.
Marcos,
So what if the debate goes on and on? There are no time limits. So long as people are willing to converse, let them do so.
I think the reason I keep coming back to this discussion is to dispel the misunderstandings that you and others have relayed.
Firstly. As far as I am concerned. There is no need or law or mandate that compels me to speak to Mary. So from my perspective your first statement is based on a faulty premise. Here is your first statement, with the faulty premise(s) bold-faced:
If you find the need to pray to anyone else but to Christ then there is only one reason why. You don’t know Jesus Christ personally. If you have to go to a third party instead of going straight to Him then, you DON’T know Him and you are missing out on the greatest blessing in life.
This is reiterated once more in your last statement. Again:
Read carefully…If you have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ you will never have the need to go through any third party. How do I know this? Its in the Bible and I live it everyday.
In addition, your analogy, as far as it goes is spot on. Yet, it fails to take into account two major aspects of Catholic belief on the subject.
1. The first being, is that in addition to being close friends with the President, you are also very close to the Secretary of State and the Vice President and treat them accordingly. In a similiar manner, the saints in heaven (and elsewhere) do not distract from our friendship with Christ, it’s simply that they are our friends too and we treat them as such.
2. Which brings me to my second point. You and the Vice President consider the President your greatest friend. The President is the link of interest which unites you and the Vice-President. Yet who doesn’t like talking about the one they love and the greater the love, the more fraternal the conversation. So whenever we find ourselves in the company of those in heaven, the conversation always centers around our common interest-Jesus. We have much to learn about Jesus from those who have already walked further with Him than we have…those who have fought the good fight…who have finished the course. And so we learn from them, enjoy their insights ect. Our relationship to the saints in heaven, is not much different from the relationship a child has with their Sunday School teacher. Every Christian child knows how much Jesus loves them, yet they go to another to learn more about Him. Are they wrong to do so? Do they go to Sunday School because they need a ‘third party’ and can’t or shouldn’t approach Jesus directly? Of course not. It is because they love Jesus that they go to Sunday School to learn more and more about the one they love.
Below is an age-old prayer to Mary which while not perfectly expressing my point, it is close:
It’s called ‘Lovely Lady Dressed in Blue’. In it, you’ll find no ‘have to’ or a ‘third party’. It’s a child’s prayer, asking ‘childish things’. It’s a prayer of love-a love whose focus of inquiry is Jesus:
Lovely Lady dressed in blue
Teach me how to pray!
God was just your little boy,
Tell me what to say!
Did you lift Him up, sometimes,
Gently on your knee?
Did you sing to Him the way
Mother does to me?
Did you hold His hand at night?
Did you ever try
Telling stories of the world?
O! And did He cry?
Do you really think He cares
If I tell Him things
Little things that happen? And
Do the Angels’ wings
Make a noise? And can He hear
Me if I speak low?
Does He understand me now?
Tell me for you know.
Lovely Lady dressed in blue
Teach me how to pray!
God was just your little boy,
And you know the way.
Sola Christi
May God be gloried in His saints.
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Vijay,
For curiosity’s sake, I would like to read the article you posted. However, I do wonder what the reason for posting it is. I and others here, are faithful Catholics. We go to Church, we know our Faith in and out. Why is this former nun’s testimony valid and ours is not? That is, why is she believed and we are not? Is it because she left the Church and in leaving, somehow understands the Church better than those of us who stay? What authority does she have on this subject that we don’t? Are we not as informed as she is? If so, on what basis do we determine she is more informed than those who remain Catholic?
Cheryl
Simple Reason..
“I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.” Matthew 11:25
Reason for god stirring my heart to post it here may not be you Cheryl.I still wish you watch your path carefully.
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God Bless.
Dear Cheryl,
Praise the Lord.
Let me ask you a simple queastion. How many Living GOD are there. As per Bible there is ONLY One True Living GOD.Then how can we say Father Son & Holy Spirit? Agaion as per Bible they are ONE.But exsist in three forms with same Image.
Jesus Himself is said to Philip when Philip requested Jesus to shew Father- Read these verses John 14:8-11 (KJV)8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. 9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? 10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. 11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works’ sake. Again in John 10:38 (KJV) But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.
Read carefuly John 14:9 Jesus is saying he that hath seen me hath seen the Father. Paul said Colossians 2:9 (KJV) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
We all know water has three forms- liquid, Steam (gaseous form) and Ice (Solid form). Even though water exsist in 3 different forms at the same time in the same place all these forms are chemicaly H2O.GOD created water and if a creation of GOD (water) can exsist in three different form whithout changing its chemical nature is it not possible for GOD the Creator to exsist in three forms at the same time without changing GOD’s nature and Image. Fahter,The Son and Holy Spirit are diffrent forms of the Living GOD but at same time they are ONE. It is difficult to understand this with our small fleshy brain but this can understand with our spirit thru’revelation because only our born again spirit is able to get and grasp GOD’s revleation.
Be blesed in JESUS NAME.
I have followed almost every comment here, and every time I come back mainly to read your comments. I am a fellow Christian and a Catholic. I was shattered & had lost hope in my life to a point I had transformed into an atheist secretly.
Then Jesus called me and showed His abundant love for me. I am not very literate about Bible, I read it to my heart’s content whenever I feel like and I just concentrate on what He says to me at that moment.
It’s so hurtful when in this forum our Mother Mary and Saints are being called as a third party! I wouldn’t call my mom or siblings third party if my Dad is the provider to my family. I may not have realized some truth in life and I wouldn’t call my mom a third party if she helps me to become more spiritual.
We Catholics know and very clear we don’t worship Mother Mary. She is just very close to us. And we learn from lives of saints and other good people around us who are still alive. They help us in strengthening our relationship with Jesus.
We don’t give priority to Mother Mary over Jesus. We love her for Jesus loved her. Jesus was on earth just like everyone of us He did not use miracles for Himself, He was as human as we are. This truth and a sweet mystery of God’s will draws us close to Mother and our sisters and brot