Why should we pray to Virgin Mary? The reasons are many.
Why do Catholics pray to Mother Mary? Is Rosary really powerful?
The intercession of Mother Mary is very powerful as Jesus cannot neglect His mothers commands.This can be proved by the first miracle Jesus did at the wedding at Cana. – (John 2:1-11). Mother Mary told Jesus “They have no more wine.” And what was the final result? He turned water into wine.
In “The Poem of the Man-God” by Maria Valtorta, she says that Jesus told her about this incident as “I did it for Mary”. This proves that the intercession of Mother Mary is very very strong.
Mother Mary was blessed with Holy Spirit abundantly. We can see this as we read “At that time Mary got ready and hurried to a town in the hill country of Judea, where she entered Zechariah’s home and greeted Elizabeth. When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the baby leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit.” (Luke 1:39-41) ; just by Virgin Mary’s greeting.
Listen to the talk from Apologetics on Mary, Purgatory and The Bible
What the angels thought on this matter:-
When angel appeared before Zechariah,father of John, angel just greets him by his name ,nothing more although he was “upright in the sight of God, observing all the Lord’s commandments and regulations blamelessly.” – (Luke 1:6)
When angel appeared before Joseph, the greeting was like this: “an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said, “Joseph son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary home as your wife, because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit.” – (Matthew 1:20). Angel greeted him ‘son of david’, thats all.
Now let us see how did the angel greet Virgin Mary. It goes like this: “The angel went to her and said, “Greetings, you who are highly favored! The Lord is with you.” (Luke 1:28). See the difference….
Also read the article Mary, The Mystical Rose
As I have noticed, you all clearly can’t agree upon everything, but that’s why there are many different religions. Obviously, you all are stuck to your own religion and refuse to change your mindset so there’s no point in trying to convert the other. Eventually everyone will understand. So please stop arguing; this is not what God wants for any religion. Anyone can love God and worship him, but people will worship him in their different ways… there’s not much we can do to change that. I respect any religion that truely tries to love God.
God wants us to have the Holy Spirit with us at all times. This arguing [and even reading these converstations] makes the Spirit leave right away.I don’t want to argue. All I would like is one sincere, kind, concice reason. Thank you for your understanding.
One dark principality is very happy at see all the so called faithful people of God fighting with each other, and caught in a power struggle. Oh Yes “satan” is sure winning in divinding the faithful people of God. United we stand, Divided we fall. we all are losers. The Holy Spirit is the spouse of Mother Mary. The same Holy Spirit who leads and guides and directs us and empowers us. All this power struggle is not from the Holy Spirit, Its from the evil one. Hate has consumed you’ll, Can’t you’ll see. If the people of God are busy pulling down each other, how are are going to Evanglise the people who do not believe in God and those who have not heard about him. Our mission as Christains has failed! to spread the Good News that God loves us. Stop throwing stones at each other and use your Holy wisdom that God has blessed you with wisely, to spread the kingdom of God. Jesus Christ is the way, the truth and the life. Even our muslim brothers believe that we should only pray to God our Father, and we should not pray to Jesus as our mediator between the Father and his people, for that would breach the 1st commandment, but we know differently, because we are the faithful filled with the Holy Spirit, we know that Jesus is the saviour of the world, He is the promise of the father, and no matter what our muslim brothers say, its not going to stop us from praying to Jesus to interceed for us to the father, for that is what he does, he too interceeds for all of us to the father. and that’s what Mother Mary does, she interceeds for all of us. The Catholic Church is all about the Holy Eucharist – Where Jesus is truly present body and blood, soul and Divinity. where Jesus is adored and glorified and worshipped. The bible says if you don’t eat the flesh of Jesus the sacrificial lamb – you have no life in you. Fot its the body and blood of Jesus Christ brings us to Eternal Life. God Bless you all!
This article is about mama mary, the mother of God. Elijah did not die on the cross for the sins of mankind, it was Jesus, that died on the cross, rose from the end and is seated on the right hand of the Almighty Father. It is He who will judge the living and the dead on Judgement day. For all power both in this world and the underground is given to him by the Heavenly Father, Every nation will bow, every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, all Jews, Chirstains, muslims, believers, non believers will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. That does not mean that Christains don’t adore God the Father, Christains believe in the Holy Trinity, Jesus said, if you have seen the son, you have seen the father, for the father lives in me and I live in the Father. When we worship Jesus we also worship God the FAther, for God the Father said, no one can come to me, but through the Son, the sacrificial Lamb. No blood of any animal will please the Father. Jesus Emmanual God with us is the living Sacrifice, only his blood will clean and wash away the sins of all mankind. He has purchased us by his precious blood & sacrifing death. Don’t be afraid to get to know Jesus. When you get to know him, you will never want to be separated from him. He is the best friend, brother, saviour one can have. he touch my life many years ago, and transform my life forever. He is the treasure of my life.
Praise you Jesus forever!
‘..Protestants, Catholics, Orthodox..you all belong to Me…'( from tlig.org )
The Lord reminded me of this Message the other morning. The Lord wants us to accept one another as we are.
‘..you all belong to My House, since I have bought My House with My Own Blood and I have shed every drop of My Blood for everyone…you are My House…'(tlig)
What about our differences ?
I will give you an analogy which comes from my profession as a maths teacher/lecturer.
I taught in schools and colleges. In my mixed ability classes, there would groups of pupils who are never late, polite and do their work quietly. If one of them needs help, he would turn to his neighbour and ask. If the neighbour does not know, she would ask her neighbour. If she does not know, she would raise her hand for my help.
Then theres another group. Noisy, they would say’ good morning sir’ as soon as they enter the room.
If one of them is ‘stuck’, a hand would shoot up in the air to attract my attention. Once they know the methods to the solutions, they would share their knowledge / skills with their neighbours.
Sometime they would argue with others about their methods. Then I would often hear:
‘…Sir told me…’ to justify their stance.
Sometime in the heat of the debate they would ‘fire’ a question at me without raising their hands – but they would always end their question with ‘sir’.
One thing you will never hear in my class is for a pupil to berate another as ‘stupid’ or ‘thicko’ or any derogatory terms.
While they are in my class, I am their father and mother – in loco parentis. I never allow such abuse.
This analogy is very apt in the relationship between us, as christians. Just as I didn’t allow abuse in my class, do you think the Lord is happy that we cast aspersions at one another – or, abuse one another ?
No. Ofcourse not.
Which group of pupils do you belong to ?
I know who the noisy ones are. They are the protestants – they go boldly before the Lord, but never ever forgotten that the Lord is ‘holy’.
Great miracles take place in their healing services because they invoke the power of the Holy Spirit – miracles that Science cannot explain.
When the Lord took me out of the wilderness on 9.11.05, and led me to the Catholic Church, I was worried because I am a baptised Methodist, until He showed me why.
What is lacking in the protestant churches is the acceptance of the Perpetual Sacrifice
(the Eucharist) in its fullest sense – Transubstantiation. When Jesus says, unless you eat the Body and drink the Blood of the Son of Man, there will be no life in you – or you will not have eternal life, He means it both literally, and spiritually.
The physical and the spiritual are bound together as ONE – they are inseparable. Jesus was both physical and spiritual (divine.)If you try to separate them, as protestants do in the Holy Communion, you go against a major part of Jesus’s mission – i.e. our deification.
Matt 16.19, is repeated in Matt 18.18 to remind us that whatever we bind on earth will be bound in Heaven. Its quite clear. Why or why did the protestant founders deviate from this when it was binding on earth for over a millennium ?
Althanasius realised this when he went against Arius and his cohorts.
I can just imagine the little Alexandrian priest tearing his hair out when he heard the followers of Arius singing: ‘..There was a time when the Son was not…’
The second major weakness among protestant denominations is the lack of honour they give
to our Holy Mother. This will change, and very soon.
The Lord wants us united. The devil wants us in little pieces – divided, as we are now.
True Life in God is the Lord’s call to Church unity.
The Lord wants us to unite in the Heart. With LOVE of the Lord in our heart, His House shall revive. Denominations is a minor footnote in our development.
‘..Protestants, Catholics, Orthodox..you all belong to Me…’
Its time we put away our differences, and accept each other as part of the same Body.
We worship the Lord in the beauty of Holiness..
around One Tabernacle.
God bless you all
ps. What would be my ideal denomination ?
It would be protestant that accept Transubstantiation in the Holy Communion, and honour Our Holy Mother.
Sadly, none exist as yet.
Oh boy God would love this site.
I’m really glad that God has called me into ministry. I do as He commanded Mary to do, pray as He commanded Mary to pray and do and pray and behave as He commanded you all to pray and behave. The world see’s a site like this and laughs at His foolish children, Christians and those of the evil one who call themselves kristian. Who cares if you are unfortunate enough to be a Catholic, a Protestant or some other deluded creature! God wants us to be Christian brothers and sisters in Christ. United as one, all part of His body.
Big religion is littered with the murdered martyrs, their history is flowered by the blood of Satans victories, come out of them!
Jesus Christ alone is our salvation and victor. Stop fighting and arguing, STOP IT! And work out your own salvation in all fear and trembling. In the wonderful name of Jesus. Amen.
Now I’m not trying to hate on Catholics. All denominations have something wrong with their doctrine.
Anyways. I don’t get why you have a pope. Pope means father yet Jesus says, “And do not call ANYONE ON EARTH “father/pope”,for you have one Father, and he is in heaven (Matthew 23:9). Is the pope in heaven? I don’t think so.
Is Jesus or the pope the head of the church? (Ephesians 5:23;Colossians 1:18)
And in 1 Corinthians 3 it says do not follow Paul, or the pope, but Jesus Christ.
“There is ONE God and one MEDIATOR between God and men, the man JESUS CHRIST (1 Timothy 2:5)
Mary is not an angel or any other heavenly being. SHE IS A HUMAN.
Now about praying to Mary and saints, most of you will say that you are not praying to them, but asking them to ask God for things. You will say that the Bible encourages others to pray for each other and so we should also pray to Mary and the saints. But there is one simple thing wrong with this: THEY CAN NOT HEAR YOU. Think about it. If you were in heaven, would you be able to hear millions of people asking you things? Remember, only God is OMNISCIENT and OMNIPRESENT. That is, all-knowing, and being everywhere. So what is the point in asking Mary and the saints if they can’t hear you?
PS. And finally, why are Catholics obsessed with saints? The BIBLE says that EVERY CHRISTIAN IS A SAINT, AND EVERY SAINT IS A CHRISTIAN (1 Corinthians 1:2;Acts 9:13;Acts 9:32;Acts 26:10;Romans 1:7;2 Corinthians 1:1;Ephesians 1:1;Philipians 1:1; Colossians 1:2; 2 Corinthinas 13:13;Philipians 4:21-22;Romans 16:15;Romans 12:13;1 Timothy 6:10;Hebrews 13:24;)
James be very careful when you say that all christian are saints.. not everyone who call Me Lord, Lord will enter the Kingdom…only those who do the Will of My Father…
Many are called – only a few are chosen.
The saints are the chosen few.
The bible assumed that all christians are CHRISTIANS. You and I know different.
The CHRISTIAN is the one who loves the Lord more than anything or anyone on this earth. The few that do, are the saints. Majority of us who still hanker for worldly things are not.
You are right about the use of ‘father’ in the
RC Church. I was worried about it for a long time. When I read True Life in God, not once did Jesus call a priest ‘father’. The Lord called John Paul II, My Peter.
I tried very hard not to call the local priest, ‘father’. The Lord must have sensed my discomfort.
Several months ago, I opened the TLIG book at random during my early morning prayers,then I saw it. The Lord mentioned a ‘Father …’ which put me at my ease. I think it was the one and only instance in the whole book.
I am still uncomfortable with it, especially as the priests are a lot younger than me – lol.
Anyway, we accept our differences then get on trying to live saintly lives.
Joel, where it is written all are called christian in Bible.
Acts 11: 26
It was at Antioch that the disciples were first called ‘Christians’.
Jesus disciples are called christians. Not Mary followers.
Our way to heaven through Jesus only, NOT through rosary or mary or through dead saints
BTW George ,I am still waiting for an answer for #1038
So we clearly see that how humble, sweet Mary, instead of grabbing the glory all for herself, she righlty “commanded” the servants to look to Jesus, because she knew very well who Jesus was (the Son of God – manifested in the flesh). And this is what we all have to do if we truly love Mary is to obey just like how the servants obeyed when she (Mary) commanded and pointed them to Jesus. Likewise, we all have to look to Jesus as he is the only gate to heaven, and not Mary. No where in the scriptures does Mary ever command anyone to seek her through worship or prayer. Mary cannot answer anyone’s prayer because she is not God. She is not omniscience nor omnipresent. Only God, Jesus is. Mary set to us an example we should all follow. And these are biblical accounts that record the very words she (Mary) spoke from her very own mouth.
Why did Mary point the servants to Jesus? Because, she is the human mother of Jesus, she could not turn the water into wine and she knew her own limitations.
Now the million dollar question is this: If Mary the mother of Jesus could not turn the water into wine at the wedding at Cana, so…. how come apparitions of the so called “Our Lady” that are manifesting in our present times appear to dispense what many people call it as miracles? What is the proof that these apparitions are revelations from God and are NOT satan’s deceptive plans?
Clearly the scriptures state that – Well, no wonder! Even satan can disguise himself to look like an angel of light! – 2 Corinthians 11:14. These so-called Our Lady manifestations are not supported by scripture, so they are simply “demonic” manifestations of Satan to deceive people.
The so called Our Lady apparitions who is also called the “Queen Of Heaven” is not the mother of Jesus, but rather a “pagan goddess” – satan’s counterfeit. This pagan Queen of Heaven that everyone thinks is the mother of Jesus is mentioned in the scriptures, read the book of Jeremiah 7:18, 44:18, Revelation chapters 17 and 18.
The owner of this blog/website Mr. Georgy is misled, brain-washed and a jesuit operative who thru the so-called “Jesus Youth” charismatic group are not actually spreading the truth as claimed “soldiers of christ” but rather as “pagan soldiers of the pagan Pope. The main agenda is to spread the ecumenical nonsense. All that spituality stuff charismatics and jesuits ignatian spirituality is not christian but has its roots on ancient paganism originated from Egypt – eastern religions, spirituality stuff that is also found in Budhism, Taoism, Hiduism. Cleverly packaged stuff covered very neathly and disguised as christian spirituality. Spirituality that is actually luciferian worship. The devil is really clever.
Nathaniel Fernandes.
Re:Comment 1062
Nathaniel, you truly do not understand the meaning of the Cana miracle, do you ?
I will explain it here, for the final time, so that those who are in the dark like you may see.
Our Father, God, used Cana to reveal to us the power of Mary’s intercession on our behalf to Her Son. ‘..this sign was meant for all ages to come…’
When the wine ran out, Mary went to Jesus and said that they have no more wine. Jesus, not knowing that His time had come, said: ‘Woman, what do you want from me ? My time has not yet come’
There is a reason why Jesus called Mary, ‘Woman’, and not ‘Mother’
Do you know why Nathaniel ?
Anyway, soon after Jesus said that, the Holy Spirit revealed to Him that His time had come. Notice that Mary did not take notice of what Jesus said.
‘Do what ever He tells you’, she said. She knew that Jesus’s time had come.
Like an obedient son, He carried out her request.
This miracle at Cana forms the basis of why the RC ask Mary to intercede on their behalf.
Whatever Mary asks of her Son, He will do it.
By the way Nathaniel, this is not my explanation. It is Our Father God’s.
( Refer to one of my previous posts )
Let me give you a friendly warning. From the tone of your post above, I think you need it. Do not denounce or condemn out of hand the Lord’s Messages in ‘True Life in God’
The Lord said that we should look at its fruits – how its spreading like wild fire in the world today. Hindhus, Budhists, Moslems are coming to the Lord after reading the Messages.
…those who still condemn this work after witnessing its fruits, will be blespheming the Holy Spirit…the only sin that will never be forgiven.
Consider yourself warned.
jibson.babu, the Rosary was brought to us by the Holy Mother through the instructions of Jesus.
All of Christendom will be honouring Our Holy Mother very soon, and praying the Rosary.
As for your question in 1038,we cannot ‘prove’ that the Woman in Rev Chap 12 is Our Holy Mother. We can ‘show’ that it is, in fact, Her, by collating all the clues given in the Chapter.
Time to leave.
‘..God’s benison go with thee, and with those that would make good of bad; friends of foes..’
Dear Joe,
You wrote “the Rosary was brought to us by the Holy Mother through the instructions of Jesus”
Can you show me one verse in Bible. Don’t talk like kids.
Hope you know the 15 promises that rosary gives. all those are against the word of god. You want me to prove this?
Hope you read the bible. In Bible there is an order of resurrection. ( if you need I can give the verses )
1. Jesus
2. Those are dead in Christ
3. those who live in Christ.
We all know his second coming not happened till now. So how mary went to heaven by bypassing the word of god.
If you are saying something then you have to prove based on word of god. NOT word of men.
Revelation 12 woman is NOT mary. read the whole chapter and ask your priest and let me know what your priest says.
As you mentioned
“As for your question in 1038,wecannot ‘prove’ that the Woman in Rev Chap 12 is Our Holy Mother. We can ‘show’ that it is, in fact, Her, by collating all the clues given in the Chapter.”
That’s what I said read the full chapter and you will come to know that lady is NOT mary.
You cannot prove and your church cannot prove.
one of the rosary promises is mary will redeem from purgatory!. Last year Pope said it’s not a place. It’s a process. ( I can post the link if you want ) .That means rosary and its promises are a big lie. Those apparitions are NOT from God.
In Bible ONLY one mediator and that mediator is a man NOT woman. Can you show me single verse saying we have multiple mediators?
Wake up Joe…
@ Joe, you said
“Whatever Mary asks of her Son, He will do it”
Who said the above?
Hope you know what Jesus said. whatever you ask in MY NAME ( that is jesus name ) father will give you.
He didnt say ask in mother name! Follow what jesus said.Dont follow men.
Wake up man…. RC church will not help you. ONLY jesus can. so follow jesus and his words.
God bless you
Re: Comment 1063:
Joeli it looks that you are in the dark yourself. You say our Father God used Cana… then who is Jesus? Not begotten the Son of God? Is he not God himself in the flesh? Who came from the father? Read the Gospel of John properly to ascertain the deity of Jesus Christ. Jesus called Mary “woman” because he is the creator who created Mary from the dust of the earth unlike we all who come from the line of of first fallen parents Adam and Eve. Jesus is God himself manifested in the flesh came into the world to redeem mankind (you and me) from the curse of sin, death and hell. Jesus is only the way the truth and the life. No one cometh unto the father but by me. Please go to the KJV Bible for it is the only the true preserved infallible Word of God. The rest of the moderm/catholic bibles out there are just satans’ corrupted versions that misguide people like you.
Nathan,
Catholics know only 3 verses from Bible
1. peter and rock
2. marriage party at cana
3. rev 12:1 lady is mother mary
Correct me if i am wrong
Nothing else
God bless you
@jibson:
You are absolutely spot on. Catholics are brain-washed with only those 3 verses. Catholicism is of the devil. The biggest man-made cult religion system in the world. The woman is rev 12:1 is not mother mary. The woman is always used to depict the bride of Christ – his Church. Further if one reads couple verses ahead, it states that the red dragon (the devil) which symbolizes the RC Church (as its priests/clergy are always in red outfits) chased her off into the wilderness as she gave birth to a male child who is Jesus – who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne – Jesus is seated at the right hand of God The Father in Heaven. The act of the woman fleeing into the wilderness (rev 12:6) depicts the persecuted church of Christ fleeing from the apostate RC Church.
Every Blessings in Christ to you.
Mr. Jibson & Mr. Nathaniel
What ever the Catholic Church does is foolish in the eyes of the world. God knows all these…. coze He is the one who gave all these things…
And guys…. sorry for the late reply. was in my Lenten practices all these days…. and i was reveled by Him that you people are used by the satan to abandon the only Church. you people target the laity… not the priests, coze they know that for sure. you ppl want all the Catholics out of the Catholic Church. then the Church is left abandon. that is wat the satan wants. you are clearly used by that nasty one who is deceiving all of you.
you ppl are not trying to correct us in any way, but to corrupt us. like you are corrupted. its a disease that you are spreading in the world.
and to you Mr. Nathaniel
you seen Catholic Priests wearing red often. It has a wealth of meaning behind it. every thing for that matter. red is a symbolic representation of sacrifice. it is worn on special days… and i tell you. never talk in contempt of the Catholic Church, and you will face the wrath of God.
and to you Mr. Jibson
the answer to your question will be posted in a short time, when He who is seated on the Throne revels it to me .
@george:
Please provide solid concrete proof when u decide to make statements. Simply do not pass comments which is a figment coming from the imagination of your mind. I don’t hate people who are Catholic or otherwise. I am simply against the false doctrine and anti-biblical teachings of the Catholic Church. Please study history and get you facts straight. Learn why the RC Church burnt people at the stake during the inquisition and the crusades. Certainly if RC Church is the one true church, then it cannot preach violence and hatred towards mankind isn’t it? BTW you say red color is a symbolic representation of sacrifice. Can u please tell me what is that sacrifice you mean? Please come to the truth if you love the truth. I have observed so many false teachings you post in your articles on this blog of yours. BTW I would love to see what is your interpretation of Rev 12:1 onward. Also it is a clear indication that you do not have an answer to Jibson. You state the He who is seated in his trone will revel .. How? Will he whisper into your ears. If you think so, then you are totally mis-informed person. Please be aware in this present dispensation of the Church age God reveals himself only through the revelation of His Holy infallible word – The Bible and His son Jesus Christ being the only fullfillment of redemption and not through any other means. God does not communicate or reveal to anyone in the present time by direct revelation. Please study the scripture thoroughly to rightly divide the word of truth. If you claim He on the throne will reveal to you bypassing His sacred Word, then that revelation is not of God but it is by a familiar or seducing spirit, masquerading as the Holy Spirit of God. This is actually a false doctrine/teaching of the Charismatic nonsense taught by the Catholic Church. A teaching that corrupts people’s mind. God Bless.
1 Timothy 4:1 says -“Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils”.
John 17:17 says -“Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth”
Psalm 138:2 says =”I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name”.
1 John 4:1 says -“Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world”.
1 John 4:2 says – “Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God.
1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
@george:
Do you know that the sacrifice of the Catholoc mass is defunct and over and the roles of the priesthood abolished in the New Testament when Jesus uttered the final words – IT IS FINISHED! – before he breathed his last on the cross? The sacrifice was over because the Son of God performed that one perfect sacrifice by offering up himself in atonement of sins of all mankind once for all that can never be repeated again.
*emphasis mine
oh my goodness … Babylon The Great Has Fallen!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yd6JM3h6jOg&feature=player_embedded
Nathaniel,
i did not say any thing about whispering of words in my ears. i never told how He revels things to me. He will answer my call. and when He does i will put them down has is…!
where you a Catholic at any point in time. you didn’t participate in any of those practices that the Church undertakes. and you condemn us just like that. for each and every thing that the Church does i can give explanation, what is the use. you are not going to accept that, coze you are blinded by hatred. if you ppl are so concerned about the teachings of the Church and call then false, then y break up in the first place, there are a alot of ppl who have fought against the wrongs in the church and and have won it, they did not break up. then what difference does it make b/w u and d satan!
Jibson Sir,
#1038
1. Can you please shed light on who is the woman in Rev 12: 1 according to “you”?
2. Have you compared the passages Rev 12: 1 onwards with “the woman” in Genesis 3:15 ?
3. Do u or do u not find similarities between the woman in Rev 12:1 & Gen 3:15 ?
4. Why?
5. How do you prove “The woman” in Rev 12:1 is not Mary?
I’ve just started my career, so I don’t have a car yet : (
Hi sharon,
If you are saying Rev 12 woman is Mary then you have to prove. BTW Rev 12 chapter nothing to do with Genesis.
Clue:- Read the full chapter Revelation 12
Rgds
@ George , Still waiting ………………………………………………………
George:
At #1073 you say .. you condemn us.. I have already stated that I don’t condemn misled Catholics like yourself but the anti-biblical teachings of the RC Church. False traditions of men teachings that you are programmed to defend without any basis of truth. I baffles me how you blindly defending a false faith. Why dont u simply accept the truth and shame the devil? You should care for your precious soul. REMEMBER – when u pass away from this world, God is not going to judge you because you belong to the alleged one true church, or you being a religious zealot, but his he going to judge you only by His word. Please come to the saving knowledge of our Lord and only saviour – The Lord Jesus Christ. Put your trust in Him completely for your salvation. Salvation is found in the person of Jesus Christ and not in anything else. You can get to heaven thru any means. There is only one gate – and that gate is the Lord Jesus. I pray that the Holy Spirit of God sanctify you the truth and preserve you for His Glory, we all including Mary the Mother of Jesus, and the apostles are all partakers in God;s Glory. To Him be the Glory forever AMEN> God Bless you.
Why I Hate Religion, But Love Jesus ..
Yes RELiGION is man-made traditions try to reach out to God. Christianity is God reaching out to men in offering a free Gift of Salvation.
Hi friends,
This link below should answer all your questions about Mother Mary.
http://matt1618.freeyellow.com/woman.html
God Bless You
Georgy
Jibson
@#1075
If u don’t perceive the similarity even after reading it, well there is no point I waste your time & my time giving a proof.
Still for your reference, I point you to the same link given by Georgy above. I’m sure your proof is in the discussion too , so will be helpful to compare.
Praise The Lord.
i have sped read most of your comment; most of them commenting on the old testament and also nothing ever mentioned about praying the rosary. you all seem to forget – the visions of mary and the immaculate conception, the visions of fatima and her requests to pray the rosary!. on a more simplistic manner, she is an intercessor. you want to get to your father, go through your mother!
i also failed to mention, it was waaaaay after abraham and the old testament. it was 1916! HELLO! at the same time, there is an argument at hand; do what makes you feel that which is necessary, no matter what means there is to the end. the bottom line, HE love us and Mary is just one road to use her as an intercession to her Son!
All the below verses are from Catholic Bible. I am taking verse by verse ( sorry for my bad english )
Revelation 12:1
Now a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman, robed with the sun, standing on the moon, and on her head a crown of twelve stars.
Now come to OT
Genesis 37:9
He had another dream which he recounted to his brothers. ‘Look, I have had another dream,’ he said. ‘There were the sun, the moon and eleven stars, bowing down to me.’
In the above what is Joseph’s dream? Is it Mary? NO
In Bible Israel was projected as a woman. See the below verses
Jeremiah 31:4
I shall build you once more, yes, you will be rebuilt, Virgin of Israel! Once more in your best attire, and with your tambourines, you will go out dancing gaily.
Isaiah 54: 5
For your Creator is your husband, Yahweh Sabaoth is his name, the Holy One of Israel is your redeemer, he is called God of the whole world. 6 Yes, Yahweh has called you back like a forsaken, grief-stricken wife, like the repudiated wife of his youth, says your God.
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12:2
She was pregnant, and in labour, crying aloud in the pangs of childbirth.
See what Isaiah, Malachi & and Jesus said about the pain
Isaiah 26:17
As a pregnant woman near her time of delivery writhes and cries out in her pangs, so have we been, Yahweh, in your eyes:
Mt 24:8
All this is only the beginning of the birth pangs.
Micah 5:2
Hence Yahweh will abandon them only until she who is in labour gives birth, and then those who survive of his race will be reunited to the Israelites.
In the above their topic is NOT Mary
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12:5
The woman was delivered of a boy, the son who was to rule all the nations with an iron sceptre, and the child was taken straight up to God and to his throne,
We all know this boy is Jesus.
Remember John saying it’s a sign only. We see the boy in heaven. But his birth was in earth NOT in heaven.
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12:6
while the woman escaped into the desert, where God had prepared a place for her to be looked after for twelve hundred and sixty days.
When Mary escaped to desert and why God going to prepare a place for Mary? Mary and Joseph with Jesus escaped to Egypt to protect Jesus, NOT for her own safety. Here in Revelation God protecting the woman! So do we need to assume Mary coming back? in Bible ONLY Jesus going come again NOT Mary.
Now go back to OT and check
Hosea 2:17-18
There she will respond as when she was young, as on the day when she came up from Egypt. 18 When that day comes- declares Yahweh- you will call me, ‘My husband’, no more will you call me, ‘My Baal’.
Who came from Egypt from slavery? Mary or Israel? Also in the above verse its saying they will call me” My husband “. if we believe the woman is Mary then Mother Mary also the wife of Jesus?
Now read this verse carefully
12: 14
but she was given a pair of the great eagle’s wings to fly away from the serpent into the desert, to the place where she was to be looked after for a time, two times and half a time.
When God given wings to Mary? Let’s see in OT about the wings
Exodus 19:4
“You have seen for yourselves what I did to the Egyptians and how I carried you away on eagle’s wings and brought you to me.
We all know the above Moses and Egyptians and Israelites history
We are clear now that Rev 12:1 woman is NOT Mary.
In Bible Paul mentioning about an order of resurrection.
1 Corinthians 15:23
but all of them in their proper order: Christ the first-fruits, and next, at his coming, those who belong to him.
1 Thessalonians 4: 16
At the signal given by the voice of the Archangel and the trumpet of God, the Lord himself will come down from heaven; those who have died in Christ will be the first to rise,
1 Corinthians 15:52
but we are all go